JIA name officially changed - apparently

[Creed]

It's called PRIORITSING, when there are many South Africans with no water and electricity,food or education facilities I don't see how ANYONE except the priviliged few can justify wasting millions changing the name again!!

This is not just about priciple, it's bad policy to keep chaning a name as soon as you need to get some publicly funded publicity.

In my opinion this is a blatant misappropriation of public resources.

 

[BTTB]

It's called PRIORITSING, when there are many South Africans with no water and electricity,food or education facilities I don't see how ANYONE except the priviliged few can justify wasting millions changing the name again!!

This is not just about priciple, it's bad policy to keep chaning a name as soon as you need to get some publicly funded publicity.

In my opinion this is a blatant misappropriation of public resources.

I will second that.

And while they waste time debating name changes, woe is Southern Africa.
Just read this statement by Joe Seremane in this latest on-line report about Zimbabwe.
If we have 2 Million Immigrants from Zimbabwe, how many more are from Rwanda, DRC, Angola, Mozambique etc ?

SA 'is doing nothing about Zim'

By the time The ANC wakes up the country will be in control of anyone else besides people holding SA ID Books.
So sad that they can obviously see what is happening, but do nothing.

I have nothing against a refugee, but what is Government's plan for these people. Is there a plan or are they now the public's problem?

Re JIA.
I think it is rather scaly of the ANC to change the name away from Jan Smuts Airport, a man who was a gentleman and respected statesman under the pretence that the the Airport's name must not be named after a politician.
We were the fools to think they honestly meant what they said and accepted it at face value. The ANC lied I am afraid.
As now 10 years later the Airport is being given a political name once again.

This is the truth of matter.

The facts speak for themselves.
Res Ipsae Loquuntur

 

[BTTB]

Joburg airport name change has R3m price tag

Joburg airport name change has R3m price tag
R3million bah
x10 x100

Isn't it ironic that at this time in our History, the original name of Jan Smuts Airport cannot be honoured any more as South Africa takes it's seat on The Security Council of the United Nations and old Oom Smuts the one man that had so much to do with it's Charter and history.
One history replaced with another.

 

[Syndyre]

You make it sound like changing the name of the national airport is a trivial deed with no logical or productive reason behind it.

Maybe because it is!

 

[Syndyre]

We want to become a beacon on the african continent and sit at the head of the african union. So I can see why SA would want to change the name of the top international airport the same way we changed the name of our capital city. Is it African-ness? Of course it is. Is it a good thing? Of course it is.

So in your view window-dressing and PR stunts are the most important steps to sitting at the head of the AU. Says a lot about the AU then doesn't it.

 

[sludge]

Ok, somehow, I didn't join in this thread earlier, odd.

BTTB, as always you make some very solid points.

nGaged55, I personally think most citizens will rather have the money spent on bettering their lives.


Anyways, you have to be nuts, absolutely nuts, if you even try and justify the
change of the name from Jan Smuts to JIA, but, back then the gov said they would use nuetral names, not political persons names.

They should change it back to Jan Smuts, he was the best statesman this country has ever seen and the way things are going now, the best one our country will ever see.

Oliver Tambo was also important, lets make no mistake, from what I've read about him, he seemed like a smart man. But they can rename something else after him, no, wait, he already has a whole municipality named after him in the province in which he lived, the eastern cape.

 

[BTTB]

Ok, somehow, I didn't join in this thread earlier, odd.

BTTB, as always you make some very solid points.

nGaged55, I personally think most citizens will rather have the money spent on bettering their lives.


Anyways, you have to be nuts, absolutely nuts, if you even try and justify the
change of the name from Jan Smuts to JIA, but, back then the gov said they would use nuetral names, not political persons names.

They should change it back to Jan Smuts, he was the best statesman this country has ever seen and the way things are going now, the best one our country will ever see.

Oliver Tambo was also important, lets make no mistake, from what I've read about him, he seemed like a smart man. But they can rename something else after him, no, wait, he already has a whole municipality named after him in the province in which he lived, the eastern cape.

Thanks.

Jan Smuts was a leader of class and distinction.
If any of these Morons try and move his statue in Adderley Street, they will have to go through me first.

As far as Johannesburg International Airport renaming goes it seems now that it is a foregone conclusion?
Pity Pieter Mulder of the FF+ couldn't have challenged President Mbeki a bit earlier about this one.
See this thread on the topic.

 

[Syndyre]

Anyways, you have to be nuts, absolutely nuts, if you even try and justify the
change of the name from Jan Smuts to JIA, but, back then the gov said they would use nuetral names, not political persons names.

They should change it back to Jan Smuts, he was the best statesman this country has ever seen and the way things are going now, the best one our country will ever see.

True but if they wanted neutral non-political names in light of the country's complicated history etc. I could understand that. But changing it back to another politician's name is just stupid, Its easier to do this sort of thing though and play to the masses than to actually enact any real change that'll result in improvement in people's lives.

 

[IzZzy]

Qouted in entirety from GG28946 - 30 June 2006 - Government Gazette Volume 492.
No: 606 Title: South African Geographical Names Council Act (118/1998): Approval of Official Geographical Names Origin: Arts and Culture, Department of Class: Government Notice Page 6.

" DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE

No. 606 30 June 2006

APPROVAL OF OFFICIAL GEOGRAPHICAL NAMES

I, Z, Pallo Jordan, Minister of Arts and Culture officially approved the following geographical names in terms of the South African Geographical Names Council Act (Act No. 118 of 1998)


Bobididi
A land development area 10 km S of Steelpoort in Mpumalanga

Buffelspoort
A township 35 km E of Rustenburg in North West

Buhlebesizwe (change of name from Vlaklaagte No. 2)
A township 15 km E of KwaMhlanga in Mpumalanga

eGolela (correction of spelling from Golela)
A railway station 41 km NE of Pongola Town in KwaZulu Natal

eMatshamnyama (correction of spelling from Matshamnyama)
A village 23 km NW of Pongola Town in KwaZulu-Natal

eMboloba (correction of spelling from Mboloba)
A village 12 km NW of Pongola Town in KwaZulu-Natal

eMhlanganweni (correction of spelling from Mhlanganisi
A river 46 km E of Pongola Town in KwaZulu Natal

eMkhwakhweni (correction of spelling Mkhwakhweni)
A village 18 km NW of Pongola Municipality in KwaZulu Natal

eMsuzwaneni (correction of spelling Suzwaneni)
A village10 km NW of Pongola Municipality in KwaZulu Natal

eNgwenyameni (change of name from Klipfontein)
A settlement 10 km N of Kwa-Mhlanga in Mpumalanga

eSivule (correction of spelling from Sivule)
A village 24 km NW of Pongola Municipality in KwaZulu Natal

Evergreen Lifestyle Estate
A land development area 20 km SE of Amsterdam in Mpumalanga

Gambukati (correction of spelling from Gambukazi)
A river 15 km W of Barberton in Mpumalanga

Hlalakahle (change of name from extension 10)
A settlement 5 km S of Barberton in Mpumalanga

Jambila (correction of spelling from Jambile)
A mountain 12 km W of Barbeton in Mpumalanga

Kambabala (correction of spelling from Mbabala)
A settlement 30 km N of Barbeton in Mpumalanga

Kgamanyane (change of name from Viswaterrivier)
A river 40 km from Polokwane and 15 km from Mogwadi in Limpopo

KwaLubisi (correction of spelling from Kwalubisi)
A Village 20 km NW of Pongola Municipality in KwaZulu Natal

KwaMpopoli (correction of spelling from Kwampopoli)
A village 24 km NW of Pongola Municipality in KwaZulu-Natal

K****omfe (correction of spelling from Nkomfe)
A village 22 km NW of Pongola Town in KwaZulu Natal

Kwanyawoshane (correction of spelling from Nyawoshane)
A village NW of Pongola Town in KwaZulu Natal

Lefiso (correction of spelling from Geelbeksvlei)
A settlement 50 km NE of Mbibane in Mpumalanga

Lephalale (change of name from Phalala)
A River ±20 km from Lephalale in Limpopo

Loding (change of name from Rooikopen A)
A settlement 6 km S of Mbibane in Mpumalanga

Maphotla (change of name from Wolwekraal)
A settlement 14 km SW of Mdutjana in Mpumalanga

Madubaduba (change of name from Kameelrivier A)
A settlement 16 km NE of Marble Hall and 6 km S of Mdutyana in Mpumalanga

Mashishing (change of name from Lydenburg)
A settlement 100 km NE of Nelspruit in Mpumalanga

Mbhunyane (correction of spelling from Mbuyane)
A mountain 20 km W of Barberton in Mpumalanga

Mmahlabane (change of name from Zandspruit)
A settlement 20 km from Libangeni in Mpumalanga

Mochelatze (change of name from Lindersloop)
A river 14 km NE of Modjadjiskloof in Limpopo

Modubatze (change of name from Brandboontjies)
A river 12 km from Modjadjiskloof in Limpopo

Mogwadi (change of name from Houtrivier)
A river 45 km from Polokwane and 20 km from Mogwadi in Limpopo

Mohlapetse (change of name from Strydomloop)
A river 35 km from Polokwane and 25 km from Mogwadi in Limpopo

Mphumelelo (change of name from Extension 12)
A settlement 6 km N of Barberton in Mpumalanga

oGodlwayo (correction of spelling from Godlwayo)
A village in Simdlangentsha in KwaZulu-Natal

Orlando Ekhaya
A town 10 km SW of the Johannesburg CBD and 500 m E of the Baragwanath Node, Soweto in Gauteng

O.R Tambo International Airport (change of name from Johannesburg International Airport)
An airport in Ekurhuleni Metro Council in Gauteng

Shotoni (correction of spelling from Shotong)
A village 10 km E of Bolobedu magistrate's office in Limpopo

Ukukhanya (change of name from Almandrift D)
A settlement 10 km N of Mbibane in Mpumalanga

uMphetha (correction of spelling from Mpeti)
A river 45 km E of Pongola in KZN

uMthokotshwala (correction of spelling from Mtokotshwala)
A river 25 km NW of Pongola Town in KZN"


My question is: Its evident that all the other names are corrected by mistakes made in the official African language by, and Im guessing here, the previous era, how is it that O.R Tambo is such a mistake? Its a whole change of name (not that I am for or against it yet). Also, it is placed rather obscurily in the mix of all the names, surely such a change is important and prominent enough to be placed possibly first?

 

[Syndyre]

My question is: Its evident that all the other names are corrected by mistakes made in the official African language by, and Im guessing here, the previous era, how is it that O.R Tambo is such a mistake? Its a whole change of name (not that I am for or against it yet). Also, it is placed rather obscurily in the mix of all the names, surely such a change is important and prominent enough to be placed possibly first?

Don't think it was justified as a mistake. And I think the order is meant to be alphabetical and therefore neutral.

Can't say I agree with the sentiment though.

Lefiso (correction of spelling from Geelbeksvlei)
A settlement 50 km NE of Mbibane in Mpumalanga

Thats one bad spelling mistake.

 

[sludge]

@BTTB. Yep, it is a shame that Mulder didn't bring it up earlier. I'll fly down to Cape Town to protest with you if they even so much as think of removing that statue!

@Syndyre. It's a shame that they changed it, because Jan Smuts was against the idea of apartheid. I think it proves to us, that our country is being ruled by idiots. I think they didn't even know who he was, but also I think they did not care, because he was white.
The goverment is alienating the whites by doing this, Jan Smuts was liberal, and if he won the elections in 1948 the picture would have been a lot diffirent today.

Anyways, my point is, they changed the name to JIA, we accepted it, albeit with reservations, because Smuts was sort of a nuetral figure, but we acceptes JIA, because it sort of makes sense to name an airport after the city it servers.

But now they have blatantly disregarded all the people of South Africa, OR Tambo already has a whole municipality named after him, now they are, as you said, only throwing away precious tax money!

In the end it all boils down to telkom They are depriving the masses of cheap internet access which the masses seem to need, so they can be informed of what is happening. Bloody telscum!

 

[BTTB]

@BTTB. Yep, it is a shame that Mulder didn't bring it up earlier. I'll fly down to Cape Town to protest with you if they even so much as think of removing that statue!

@Syndyre. It's a shame that they changed it, because Jan Smuts was against the idea of apartheid. I think it proves to us, that our country is being ruled by idiots. I think they didn't even know who he was, but also I think they did not care, because he was white.
The goverment is alienating the whites by doing this, Jan Smuts was liberal, and if he won the elections in 1948 the picture would have been a lot diffirent today.

Anyways, my point is, they changed the name to JIA, we accepted it, albeit with reservations, because Smuts was sort of a nuetral figure, but we acceptes JIA, because it sort of makes sense to name an airport after the city it servers.

But now they have blatantly disregarded all the people of South Africa, OR Tambo already has a whole municipality named after him, now they are, as you said, only throwing away precious tax money!

In the end it all boils down to telkom They are depriving the masses of cheap internet access which the masses seem to need, so they can be informed of what is happening. Bloody telscum!

Hehe.
Sad to say, but true.

 

[Syndyre]

@Syndyre. It's a shame that they changed it, because Jan Smuts was against the idea of apartheid. I think it proves to us, that our country is being ruled by idiots. I think they didn't even know who he was, but also I think they did not care, because he was white.
The goverment is alienating the whites by doing this, Jan Smuts was liberal, and if he won the elections in 1948 the picture would have been a lot diffirent today.

I agree with you, aside from being white if you're not linked to the ruling party I don't think you've got a chance at having anything major named after you. Doubt we'll be seeing Buthelezi International anytime soon.

Smuts could have been used as a fairly conciliatory figure though as you said, being Afrikaans yet pro-English and also against apartheid.

 

[xtermin8or]

Jan Smuts was a great man - that's all good and well, but so was OR Tambo, and by the looks of responses on this forum - many people do not know that - so good on the Government for raising the profile of one of the true heroes and sons of the soil of South Africa -

 

[jontyB]

Jan Smuts was a great man - that's all good and well, but so was OR Tambo, and by the looks of responses on this forum - many people do not know that - so good on the Government for raising the profile of one of the true heroes and sons of the soil of South Africa -

That would have been fine if the original renaming of the Airport was not done in the decidedly underhanded method it was done. Secondly, there are already places named after OR Tambo, including a whole Municipal region in the Eastern Cape. Point 3. The International airport's name has now been changed twice in 12 years, at the cost of several millions.

 

[Syndyre]

Jan Smuts was a great man - that's all good and well, but so was OR Tambo, and by the looks of responses on this forum - many people do not know that - so good on the Government for raising the profile of one of the true heroes and sons of the soil of South Africa -

So you don't think maybe a documentary would have been an easier way of doing it. I'm sure there are plenty of people that aren't well known, should we change the name every 3 months to give everybody their "15 minutes"?

 

[DigitalSoldier]

Jan Smuts was a great man - that's all good and well, but so was OR Tambo, and by the looks of responses on this forum - many people do not know that - so good on the Government for raising the profile of one of the true heroes and sons of the soil of South Africa -

But Jan Smuts was also a son of the soil of South Africa

But like you said Jan Smuts was a great man and also OR Thambo was a great man why not name or rename something else after them and keep JIA's name neutral. Like it was agreed on when the name was changed from Smuts to JIA ?

 

[icyrus]

Jan Smuts was a great man - that's all good and well, but so was OR Tambo, and by the looks of responses on this forum - many people do not know that - so good on the Government for raising the profile of one of the true heroes and sons of the soil of South Africa -

I think you will find that most people are not apposed to it being named after Tambo. Most people are apposed to the change as it was changed from Smuts to be "neutral" and now they have gone back on that, at the tax payers expense, for no reason.

 

[BTTB]

So much debate has raged over this topic of the renaming of JIA, this way and that way.
I blame the ruling party for not stopping the whole thing in it's tracks at it's infancy in lieu of all the things that make sense and reason discussed in this forum and elsewhere.
Pallo Jordan is also not playing the game here, as he should have known better or does he also suffer from CRAFT?

It is not too late to stop the name change in my opinion.
President Mbeki has the power and I think this is one time he should act as the leader he is.

 

[IzZzy]

Don't think it was justified as a mistake. And I think the order is meant to be alphabetical and therefore neutral.

Can't say I agree with the sentiment though.



Thats one bad spelling mistake.

Haha, thanks some valid points.