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JUST RECEIVED THIS FROM MWEB!!!
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I said no one was getting caught. I never said no one was being murdered.
Yeah because people die when you download something
Besides, there is no law that says downloading is illegal.
Ok, exaggeration for effect. It's more about the principle. Then again I guess asking you to understand anything involving principles might be too much to ask.
Don't be deliberately obtuse. It's only the "big" laws or serious rules that count right? Besides if what you were doing wasn't considered to be "wrong" then why the need to hide it behind peerblockers, proxies or whatever.
Copyright infringement is not a crime. It is a crime when done for profit but using something without a license is a breach of licensing terms and is a civil law problem.
As for murder, when someone is murdered they die. Someone loses a life. When someone copies a file, no-one else suffers because the source still has the file, the studio can still sell the movie.
Note also in the email how pathetic it was that MPAA will direct you to where you can obtain licensed content but in SA there is nowhere where you can download licensed content for a fee. MPAA would have a moral leg to stand on if their members did not force different prices on the world and allowed everyone to buy content from anywhere they like - after all money is money and we're all human. It's not possible to buy a movie for DL on Amazon, iTunes or any other MPAA associated service outside of SA and these services do not exist in SA itself.
Another hilarious thing is when downloading MPAA movies, it may be costing American workers' jobs (I doubt it) but it is reducing importation of Hollywood movies. It is saving South African jobs, because instead of scraping the cash for this J-LO flic, the person in question now has some extra spare cash to spend locally and create jobs here.
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I never said it was a crime, I used the word unlawful.
There are many wrongs.
1. BayTSP is in breach of local laws by sending that request. BayTSP does not have a presence in SA. That's wrong, immoral, unethical and whatnot.
2. BayTSP does not offer an alternative for SA IP address holders to purchase movies at similar as US prices. That's entirely due to the greed of MPAA members.
3. BayTSP is claiming lost jobs in the USA, but in exporting their junk (and people become addicted to it because of the hype, sex, etc) they are costing an efflux of money from SA which would otherwise probably stay in SA if MPAA was not marketing their stuff and selling sex (and the immorality it all leads to) to the rest of the world.
4. BayTSP is acting in breach of various laws, human and civil rights etc - they have no proof that this user even uploaded pieces of that movie. They do not have a picture of him putting a DVD in his pocket from a security camera for example.
There are many other unethical points one can raise. Suffice to say that as long as it's not easy and cheap to buy this junk locally (online) at the same time as it's available in the US the movie industry should be ignored by the ISPs and governments and if necessary (and hopefully) they would go bankrupt and there would be less junk in the world.
Unlawful = crime.
If the two of us have a deal and I go back on it, is it unlawful? No - it's a breach of agreement. You can then sue. However, you can't ask the state prosecutor to prosecute me in a criminal court. Unlawful implies criminal court proceedings. Now we may get there one day if the industry lobbies enough governments, but not yet.
Barfish88
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lol what you doing downloading that crap for anyways. You should look into peer block or get a astraweb account. Anyways if you hear a knock on your door and see the mweb police outside keeeel them its cheaper.
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You used the phrase civil law, that implies something against the civil law could be described as unlawful. No?
It's not against civil law - it's against the agreement the two of us have. The court would be a civil one and not a criminal one.
It's like with OJ Simpson. He was first tried in a criminal court and found innocent. Then he was sued for wrongful death in a civil court - there the max penalty was in form of monetary damages and not jail time or death penalty. Two different concepts. However in the first case the State Prosecutor was involved, in the latter lawyers for the family of the victims filed suits. In this case the MPAA through a local agent could file a suit. However, not the State Prosecutor because it's not a crime.
Pick n Pay was sued by a grandmother recently in a civil case. PnP lost and they are not now called criminals.
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killadoob
Honorary Master
Does unlawful not apply to civil cases?
Mike Hoxbig
Honorary Master
Which part of "downloading isn't illegal" didn't you understand? If you bothered to read through the Copyright Act, you'd notice a clause stating something along the lines of downloading for personal use being legal. Distribution (including uploading) is illegal.
Hence my comment - "Besides if what you were doing wasn't considered to be "wrong" then why the need to hide it behind peerblockers, proxies or whatever."
Not really answering the question BUT I understand your viewpoint.
The problem here (as with many conflicts) is that no one is willing to be the first to conceed. The MPAA will defend their distribution model, by saying it's necessary due to the piracy/copyright infringement they experience while the pirates/infringers will say they're forced to do it due to the MPAA's "unfair" distribution model. Yes, it's the oft quoted "vicious circle". So while the MPAA may have no moral leg to stand on, the pirates/infringers are equally unstable.
Given this though, let's say by some miracle the MPAA developed a totally fair and acceptable distribution model, no one in their right mind can believe that it would result in the sudden end of piracy/copyright infringement. There will always be some cheap b@stard whose sole motivation will be that hey, I don't HAVE to pay, so why should I? It is with these people that I have a problem.
So feel free then, when receiving such a letter as the OP did, to approach the sender and say "Which part of "downloading isn't illegal" didn't you understand? Have you bothered to read through the Copyright Act?", instead of hiding behind peerblockers and proxies.
Phenomenon
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God can you this flapping about downloading "illegally" please stop.
It's not illegal to download anything for personal use in SA currently, not according to the Copyright Act. It might be illegal elsewhere, its not illegal here.
All the sheep posting "hurr you r download illeegul and they catch u hurhur", diaf thanks so much.
It's not illegal to download anything for personal use in SA currently, not according to the Copyright Act. It might be illegal elsewhere, its not illegal here.
All the sheep posting "hurr you r download illeegul and they catch u hurhur", diaf thanks so much.
drukkie
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excellent !!!!
