LCD and Plasma Bargains and Discussions thread

PostmanPot said:
http://reviews.cnet.com/how-we-test/tv/



If you cannot understand or accept this, then you're not getting the true PQ from your sources, and you're certainly not an AVphile.

(Btw, that's Torch Mode.)
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Did you note they use the word "believe" and "subjective" which renders their view meaningless scientifically. You always state things as fact and any disagreement is summarily dismissed. You also pretend to be an expert, although you have no formal credentials. That makes any of your claims worthless in the manner that you are trying to put it as being an expert.

The context also does not substantiate any of your claims and statements, merely how they test TVs. Tell me how many do they test? Based on this you cannot classify the knowledge of anyone person in this forum as being this or that. You merely know how a particular website test TVs. Their qualifications may be lacking. Are they Phd Graduates? Do they have special qualifications besides equipment?

In this world you need to be a certified expert before you can be recognised as an authority in the area. You would also then not have to use an alias in a forum.
 
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Mr_Bee said:
Did you note they use the word "believe" and "subjective" which renders their view meaningless scientifically. You always state things as fact and any disagreement is summarily dismissed. You also pretend to be an expert, although you have no formal credentials. That makes any of your claims worthless in the manner that you are trying to put it as being an expert.
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They're professionals carrying out scientific measurements in test environments. It's as scientific as it gets. Put up something more scientific if it exists?

The context also does not substantiate any of your claims and statements, merely how they test TVs. Tell me how many do they test? Based on this you cannot classify the knowledge of anyone person in this forum as being this or that. You merely know how a particular website test TVs. Their qualifications may be lacking. Are they Phd Graduates? Do they have special qualifications besides equipment?
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They test loads of TVs. Here's another site with the same testing methodologies as those mentioned by David Katz and the gang at CNET (regarded as some of the biggest pro's in the business) - http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/How-We-Test.htm.

Here's a comment on how they too use DisplayMate, a testing site you often refer to without anyone having a problem or raising questions about whether it's scientific.

By your logic you now cannot use DisplayMate yourself, we can't tell whether they're pro's, whether it's objective, etc etc.

To develop this testing methodology, we worked with Dr. Raymond Soneira, the creator of DisplayMate, an advanced industry standard diagnostic program for displays that helps consumers, technicians and manufacturers setup, calibrate and test their TVs. Working with Dr. Soneira, we developed a comprehensive testing process that we consider to be the most in-depth and authoritative in the world.
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*chortles*

In this world you need to be a certified expert before you can be recognised as an authority in the area. You would also then not have to use an alias in a forum.
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There are plenty experts on this forum, not only in TVs.
 
PostmanPot said:
They're professionals carrying out scientific measurements in test environments. It's as scientific as it gets. Put up something more scientific if it exists?



They test loads of TVs. Here's another site with the same testing methodologies as those mentioned by David Katz and the gang at CNET (regarded as some of the biggest pro's in the business) - http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/How-We-Test.htm.

Here's a comment on how they too use DisplayMate, a testing site you often refer to without anyone having a problem or raising questions about whether it's scientific.

By your logic you now cannot use DisplayMate yourself, we can't tell whether they're pro's, whether it's objective, etc etc.



*chortles*



There are plenty experts on this forum, not only in TVs.
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You forget to put it in context - show me one of these sites that refutes LGs patented technology, for instance? You seem to think I doubt all sites - I say if they remove words like believe and subjective in what you do, then you are approaching scientific methodology, otherwise its meaningless.
 
Mr_Bee said:
You forget to put it in context - show me one of these sites that refutes LGs patented technology, for instance? You seem to think I doubt all sites - I say if they remove words like believe and subjective in what you do, then you are approaching scientific methodology, otherwise its meaningless.
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What patented LG technology are you talking about? Has nothing to do with this discussion as far as I know, first time you've mentioned it?
 
Roman4604 said:
Samsung D6000 probably cheapest if you can find, LG LW5700 may also be cheap if can be found on clearance.
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Mike Smit said:
Media Link is LGs name for Plex. Cinema 3D units have Media Link AFAIK. Last I heard, all 2012 LG units will come with Media Link.
My LG is a 2011 model so purchased the LG ST600 to give me the capabilities.

The original story was Sammy and LG were licensing Plex. Last I heard is LG are changing now and including Google TV and dumping Media Link. This suits me better though although I don't know how true this is.
Media Link or Google TV still gives us plex though.

IMO LG 3D is the best 3D implementation, so LG Cinema 3D units should give you everything you are looking for.
Alternatively, get a cheaper 2011 model and add an ST600 (route I took).
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Roman4604 said:
2011 LWs also have Media Link, with the exception of the bottom end LW4500 (no Smart/Ethernet).
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Thanks guys. will look into it.
 
wily me said:
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a Joke. I cannot find ONE real AVphile on the Internet that would recommend people to buy cheap or HD ready TV sets. So much for patting yourself on the back. An real AVphile would know all about new technology like 3D TV and they wont spread vitriol repetitively on the same "personal experience" about their own HD ready sets and would not sell so much gibberish as facts. They would have up to date tech and knowledge in their real home theater setups. I see Roman more as an AVphile thanks.
Bwahahahahahahah, :D:D:D:D

PS: Another PlasmaPot thread closure are eminent!
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HD Ready plasmas are fantastic, they especially suit those who have analogue DSTV, and those who value SD quality and sport, but want HD quality too. Best of both worlds, and most people aren't sitting within 2m where Full HD would benefit them as much, but that's not the point, point is HD Ready plasma is advised only when there are non FHD sources, or very few and other factors are more important.

Even Dolby would take entry plasma over entry LCD because the difference between them is so much, especially black levels & consistency and colours. Plenty of HD Ready plasma owners on this forum too who are over the moon with their purchases and love the SD quality, HD quality, and deep consistent blacks and punchy detailed colours.

Resolution is not the be all and end all, things like black levels and contract ratio are regarded as far more important. Even Mike Smit has a 100"+ HD Ready projector and he loves it. The fact that you undermine HD Ready shows your fundamental misunderstanding of TVs which myself, iceman23, Spunky and others have alluded to. But please carry on for all to see through you.

I own a 42" HD Ready plasma and 32" Full HD LCD and my experience is not limited to the confines of my home. I do constantly have friends (90% LCD owners) coming over and raving at how good my HD Ready plasma is compared to theirs. You probably don't understand their shock.

I don't think you're in much of a position to be commenting with your Sony 32" LCD.

Not sure why thread closure is imminent, something upsetting you and Bee again?

By the way, thanks again for showing me the CNET TV review site, heaps of knowledge there, as you saw between Bee and I. Food for thought!
 
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Is the Samsung PS43E490 full HD? The Hifi corp leaflet states HD Ready, but full HD for 3d. Going for R5999 and 6 pairs of 3d glasses.
 
ABCpt said:
Is the Samsung PS43E490 full HD? The Hifi corp leaflet states HD Ready, but full HD for 3d. Going for R5999 and 6 pairs of 3d glasses.
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It's HD Ready, accepts 1080p signal and downscales to 720p. Doesn't make sense that it would be 1080p for 3D.

What will you be using the TV for?
 
PostmanPot said:
It's HD Ready, accepts 1080p signal and downscales to 720p. Doesn't make sense that it would be 1080p for 3D.

What will you be using the TV for?
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Planning on getting a HD pvr for sport, then downloaded content and PS3. Sit about 2m away.
 
Got a link? I cannot find it on the their, terrible, site or on the .pdf pamphlet linked to it.

LOL, too slow I see, this is re the 51 inch Samsung at H&H
 
ABCpt said:
Planning on getting a HD pvr for sport, then downloaded content and PS3. Sit about 2m away.
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Would suggest a full HD screen for these. I have no doubt though that the plasma would offer the better PQ, IMO you will notice the resolution difference from 2m.
 
PostmanPot said:
Would suggest a full HD screen for these. I have no doubt though that the plasma would offer the better PQ, IMO you will notice the resolution difference from 2m.
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Does not seem like Samsung have a Full HD plasma in 43". How would you rate the Panasonic plasma's?
 
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