Logik 47 vs Sinotec 47

[LCBXX]

Ok , so Game will give me my cash back.

NOW , Sinotec has the 5 year warranty which led me to buy it (although it was an impulse buy I must admit) over the Samsung Plasma.

I have heard serious horror stories about Hifi Corp in the past. On the Samsung the give a 3 year warranty which is default I presume , but the sales guy said that is only on the components not the panel. So IF I get a burn in issue it's too bad so sad for me , which makes me a tad suspicious.

I suppose it's back to the drawing board

I bought a 42" HiSense panel from Hi-Fi Corp. It's the V88 series with a 120Hz Full HD panel, and from what I Google, they use previous generation LG panels on their tellys. It comes with a 3 Year local warranty - R8000. Apparently the V88 47" is coming soon for R11500 or less...

 

[Wasp_21]

Unfortunately there is no guarantee on any plasma screens for Burn-in, because "burn-in" would require serious abuse and neglect of the panel. There is no other way. Burn-in is not IR, and IR is temporary. Burn-in for older panels, possible, look at old dated panels used in Airports and stations, they held the same static image for days, permanently. Newer panels are much safer. If you neglect your new tv, then any panel is going to suffer. The Sinotec 5 year warrantee, is one year manufacturer, 4 year store, so there's no real warranty in any case. At least with Samsung and Sony (branded) being local, they can swop out panels if there is any other major problem. Their warranties cover the panels for everything else that isn't abuse related.

 

[Positively Negative]

Unfortunately there is no guarantee on any plasma screens for Burn-in, because "burn-in" would require serious abuse and neglect of the panel. There is no other way. Burn-in is not IR, and IR is temporary. Burn-in for older panels, possible, look at old dated panels used in Airports and stations, they held the same static image for days, permanently. Newer panels are much safer. If you neglect your new tv, then any panel is going to suffer. The Sinotec 5 year warrantee, is one year manufacturer, 4 year store, so there's no real warranty in any case. At least with Samsung and Sony (branded) being local, they can swop out panels if there is any other major problem. Their warranties cover the panels for everything else that isn't abuse related.

Please explain? so if my Sinotec completely panel dies after 3 years ? Then what

 

[HapticSimian]

Unfortunately there is no guarantee on any plasma screens for Burn-in, because "burn-in" would require serious abuse and neglect of the panel. There is no other way. Burn-in is not IR, and IR is temporary. Burn-in for older panels, possible, look at old dated panels used in Airports and stations, they held the same static image for days, permanently. Newer panels are much safer. If you neglect your new tv, then any panel is going to suffer. The Sinotec 5 year warrantee, is one year manufacturer, 4 year store, so there's no real warranty in any case. At least with Samsung and Sony (branded) being local, they can swop out panels if there is any other major problem. Their warranties cover the panels for everything else that isn't abuse related.

You might wanna check that. The HDMI circuitry on my 18 month old 42" Sinotec conked out; Sinotec repaired it for me while I waited at their premises - no cost.

 

[djtzar]

Unfortunately there is no guarantee on any plasma screens for Burn-in, because "burn-in" would require serious abuse and neglect of the panel. There is no other way. Burn-in is not IR, and IR is temporary. Burn-in for older panels, possible, look at old dated panels used in Airports and stations, they held the same static image for days, permanently. Newer panels are much safer. If you neglect your new tv, then any panel is going to suffer. The Sinotec 5 year warrantee, is one year manufacturer, 4 year store, so there's no real warranty in any case. At least with Samsung and Sony (branded) being local, they can swop out panels if there is any other major problem. Their warranties cover the panels for everything else that isn't abuse related.

Then why would the guy at Hifi Corp tell me they only guarantee the components and not the panel on the Samsung 50 Plasma?

I returned my faulty Sinotec and Game gave me my money back , no questions asked. So I think it depends on where you actually buy your TV.

ANYWAY , I'm back to hunting for the right TV. Oh and the 50 Sammy turned out to be the old B430 model NOT the B530 *curses*

I think I might be leaning towards a smaller size , as it seems the price jumps are just too much for a few inches.

OK so now the big question , budget is max R10K , should I wait a bit longer and see if prices come down (which they will probably) and torture myself after wetting my appetite with the 47 , OR do I take the plunge now and buy a HD Ready Plamsa (size) or FullHD LCD. So basically back to square one! ffs

 

[I am Penguin]

OK so now the big question , budget is max R10K , should I wait a bit longer and see if prices come down (which they will probably) and torture myself after wetting my appetite with the 47 , OR do I take the plunge now and buy a HD Ready Plamsa (size) or FullHD LCD. So basically back to square one! ffs

HD READY NO! Thanks.
Smaller AND better quality..Anytime
PLASMA HD larger size for R10000.00 Anytime
LCD smaller size Any time
Wait! Yeah, while waiting save a few rand more and get what your heart desire. Prices will drop if the RAND holds.

Finally any 120 HZ+ @ 40"+ panel will do me fine at a budget price.

 

[Wasp_21]

You might wanna check that. The HDMI circuitry on my 18 month old 42" Sinotec conked out; Sinotec repaired it for me while I waited at their premises - no cost.

Was told that at Makro. If your TV gives troubles in the first year, then Sinotec will fix it. If after a year, then makro, game, who ever, will fix it through their contracted repair guys. In any warranty, if they cannot fix it within economical costs, they will replace it. My point was that after the first year, Sinotec (whomever they are) won't repair, the store you bought it from will.

 

[Wasp_21]

Then why would the guy at Hifi Corp tell me they only guarantee the components and not the panel on the Samsung 50 Plasma?

I returned my faulty Sinotec and Game gave me my money back , no questions asked. So I think it depends on where you actually buy your TV.

ANYWAY , I'm back to hunting for the right TV. Oh and the 50 Sammy turned out to be the old B430 model NOT the B530 *curses*

I think I might be leaning towards a smaller size , as it seems the price jumps are just too much for a few inches.

OK so now the big question , budget is max R10K , should I wait a bit longer and see if prices come down (which they will probably) and torture myself after wetting my appetite with the 47 , OR do I take the plunge now and buy a HD Ready Plamsa (size) or FullHD LCD. So basically back to square one! ffs

Didn't you return it within their returns period of 7 days? Did they have stock to replace it at that time? If not, then you were lucky. Standard rule with mass stores, is if it's out of the 7 day period, they send it for repairs.

 

[djtzar]

HD READY NO! Thanks.
Smaller AND better quality..Anytime
PLASMA HD larger size for R10000.00 Anytime
LCD smaller size Any time
Wait! Yeah, while waiting save a few rand more and get what your heart desire. Prices will drop if the RAND holds.

Finally any 120 HZ+ @ 40"+ panel will do me fine at a budget price.

Ok so from that I gathered "Stop being a pedantic prat and get what you want"

My viewing distance would be 3.8m , also the living room is fairly lit but i do have dark curtains. Also most viewing will be at night time. SO , The Samsung PS50B550 is what I am considering if I go Plasma , and the Sony V550 would be my second choice probably (but knowing myself and by just looking at this thread it's probably going to change again!ROFL). Argggh , " I am the eggplant goo Kee dookee doo!"

 

[I am Penguin]

Ok so from that I gathered "Stop being a pedantic prat and get what you want"

My viewing distance would be 3.8m , also the living room is fairly lit but i do have dark curtains. Also most viewing will be at night time. SO , The Samsung PS50B550 is what I am considering if I go Plasma , and the Sony V550 would be my second choice probably (but knowing myself and by just looking at this thread it's probably going to change again!ROFL). Argggh , " I am the eggplant goo Kee dookee doo!"

Nope there are so many choices and factor to consider. Its sometimes a nightmare and once you bought a unit and later find you in the hurry overlooked a important parameter then you could kick yourself.

Make a list of definite requirements you need. Make list of feature you want. Prioritize the two lists in order of importance. look at the market purely based on the top items in the list. Then determine your budget and timing agenda.

My list would be in order of importance.

-Full HD resolution. Future proof and quality of display is important for me. I rather pay the 25% more from a HD reau to Full HD screen.
-Size (As above features may impede on the size budget) Also your distance scream for a bigger size minimum 46" unless you can move the seating when required.
-120 Hz or greater. Fast sport action required without the irritating blurring motion or judder.
-Latest "improved" engines like Sony Bravia, Samsung series 5/6, Panasonic viera, etc (Better colour and contrast in later engines)
-Budget established on above criteria. Save or bite the bullet. DO not sell yourself down unless you are realy hard-up and/or budget constraint. Be wise.
-Connectivity.... DMI 1.3 inputs (2-4), HDCP, DLNA.
-Glare or external influence compensation like light.
-Extras like USB, PC input etc.
-Sound. I consider it last as a separate HT system is better
-Looks as I want to see the real display not the "looks"

 

[djtzar]

Nope there are so many choices and factor to consider. Its sometimes a nightmare and once you bought a unit and later find you in the hurry overlooked a important parameter then you could kick yourself.

Make a list of definite requirements you need. Make list of feature you want. Prioritize the two lists in order of importance. look at the market purely based on the top items in the list. Then determine your budget and timing agenda.

My list would be in order of importance.

-Full HD resolution. Future proof and quality of display is important for me. I rather pay the 25% more from a HD reau to Full HD screen.
-Size (As above features may impede on the size budget) Also your distance scream for a bigger size minimum 46" unless you can move the seating when required.
-120 Hz or greater. Fast sport action required without the irritating blurring motion or judder.
-Latest "improved" engines like Sony Bravia, Samsung series 5/6, Panasonic viera, etc (Better colour and contrast in later engines)
-Budget established on above criteria. Save or bite the bullet. DO not sell yourself down unless you are realy hard-up and/or budget constraint. Be wise.
-Connectivity.... DMI 1.3 inputs (2-4), HDCP, DLNA.
-Glare or external influence compensation like light.
-Extras like USB, PC input etc.
-Sound. I consider it last as a separate HT system is better
-Looks as I want to see the real display not the "looks"

- ja the FullHD HDReady debate is one I'm not too particular about , seeing that I don't really have DSTV , but I suppose better is better
- size vs quality , now this is probably my biggest head scratcher. The Sammy 50 plasma looks like an absolute beaut , but at R16K that is almost double the price of the 47 Sinotec. I'm really struggling with the value for money issue. The Sinotec honestly looked amazing (except the flash lighting of course) , maybe because I've never owned such a big TV before so I'm really battling with justifying an extra R6K for 3" more and of course better picture quality etc etc. Maybe my suspicion on the Sinotec build quality is unfounded , but I suppose it's a lucky packet when it comes to Sinotec (waiting for the flames)
- I suppose going plasma would negate this criteria? Like stated before I don't have DSTV nor do i really care for it. But there is always the chance...
- Once again , trying to justify a R6K hike in price for a "new and improved" engine sounds like marketing bs to me. If someone can give me the hard facts that the engine really makes that big a difference I'll be sold.
- Connectivity wise I'd like minimum 2 HDMI (one for PS3 one for Mede8r)

Thx IaP , you have really given me some things to ponder on.

 

[I am Penguin]

- ja the FullHD HDReady debate is one I'm not too particular about , seeing that I don't really have DSTV , but I suppose better is better
- size vs quality , now this is probably my biggest head scratcher. The Sammy 50 plasma looks like an absolute beaut , but at R16K that is almost double the price of the 47 Sinotec. I'm really struggling with the value for money issue. The Sinotec honestly looked amazing (except the flash lighting of course) , maybe because I've never owned such a big TV before so I'm really battling with justifying an extra R6K for 3" more and of course better picture quality etc etc. Maybe my suspicion on the Sinotec build quality is unfounded , but I suppose it's a lucky packet when it comes to Sinotec (waiting for the flames)
- I suppose going plasma would negate this criteria? Like stated before I don't have DSTV nor do i really care for it. But there is always the chance...
- Once again , trying to justify a R6K hike in price for a "new and improved" engine sounds like marketing bs to me. If someone can give me the hard facts that the engine really makes that big a difference I'll be sold.
- Connectivity wise I'd like minimum 2 HDMI (one for PS3 one for Mede8r)

Thx IaP , you have really given me some things to ponder on.

Go to a TV/Video shop and let them demo the differences. The Engines make the difference and it can only be appreciated when seen for yourself and for that you need a expert to show you and I do no talk about the Game/Makro "ex_sperts"

For instance check the shudder/jerk difference between an "Normal Hz" HD display and compare that with 100/120/240 Hz displays. Once you've seen/caught the motion differences the extra R6K investment starts to make sense. I hate the shudder/jerk effect and so does the familia.

Features, well that is different and a matter of choice. Like the convenience to insert a USB drive/stick to play movies. An direct Internet connection for BD live and other direct online features. Multi HDMI/DVI inputs/Outputs. The more the merrier.
The issue about the HD TV and size is not about DSTV at all which by the way is not really full HD, but it's rather about "Home Entertainment", to set up your own castle to enjoy HD DVD films and Theater like sound at home in high fidelity and quality and in privacy. No disease/noise/irritating kids etc. Slowly build up a decent high quality system without buying less due to a small price difference. You will invest a greater portion than 50% of the total price of a decent system/ HDTV in a lower/far lower quality system.

Example. 3D media and this display units is on the rise, will be available by end of this year in full swing. 3D games/BluRay and Sports transmissions will become standard in the next two years. By buying correctly now that possibility will be covered. (by just looking at the Nvidia 3D compatible list ab decission can be made.) Thus no Reinvestment required to add that funtion. Both PS3 and Xbox will have 3D by the end of this year it seems.

So Yea choces/choices but do not sell yourself short. Will you do it with a car/house, buy yourself short based on a price only. Same difference

Enjoy!

For expert advice and demo's see Sound great (East rand mall) or Cats digital) Also speak to MyBB member DOLBY and ask his advice. He also wondered and ended up paying "little" more for far better and pieace of mind.

 

[Keeper]

- the 47" sino has 3xHDMi and PLENTY, PLENTY, PLENTY of other inputs

- the sino also has USB Playback (and when i bought mine more than a year ago, it ALREADY had usb playback - the sony, samsung and lg DIDN'T)

"An direct Internet connection for BD live and other direct online features" ? seriously? in RSA? lmao!!! useless to say the least.


I believe the 47" even has a built-in PVR Recorder - does the R10,000 sony have that? and the 16k one?

sure, it doesn't have 5billion:1 contrast ratio - bluray still looks perfect on my side?
sure, it isn't 600hz/fps playback..... do 25fps movies need 600fps playback?


the sinotec is value for money - no doubt about that.


if you have the money go for the big brands, why not? but if you don't have 20k to blow on a TV like your neighbor does, don't fear, the sino will make you just as happy.

seriously, when i watch 1080p movies on this thing I honestly don't know why I should pay double the price - THEY LOOK THE SAME!

 

[Salex]

sinotec with a built in pvr???

Where do i check for this... Keep in mind i got the "new" version without usb and only 2hdmi slots...

 

[xrapidx]

- the 47" sino has 3xHDMi and PLENTY, PLENTY, PLENTY of other inputs

- the sino also has USB Playback (and when i bought mine more than a year ago, it ALREADY had usb playback - the sony, samsung and lg DIDN'T)

My Samsung does, and so did the sony I had briefly, although its not very useful to me

I believe the 47" even has a built-in PVR Recorder - does the R10,000 sony have that? and the 16k one?

Only TV I know with this sort of functionality was LG.

seriously, when i watch 1080p movies on this thing I honestly don't know why I should pay double the price - THEY LOOK THE SAME!

To you maybe....

 

[Keeper]

My Samsung does, and so did the sony I had briefly, although its not very useful to me

my point being that sinotec has had that technology a while now already

Only TV I know with this sort of functionality was LG.

You learn something every day!

To you maybe....

and to me, that's all that's who's important.

it's like cereals - some people like me buy pick 'n pay noname instead of the brand name Rice Crispies because the stuff inside pretty much tastes the same in the end......it is the same.

other people need that "glossy box" and free maze on the back, with free plastic toy of "crackle" and a photo of him and his gang on the colorful, well marketed box.

I on the other hand don't look at all that marketing gimmicks - im into advertising for a living, I make Adverts - I know what companies look like and what their advert says, trust me

I make all those "TrueColor 2.0®", "eXperiaDTS™ XL certified", "MagicBright 3™" AND "EcoTECH Engine 2.0" logo's every single day man......

at the end of the day you should look past the name and start looking at value for money and features. in the end you will realise when opening that box of noname cereal, it is essentially the same stuff you have been eating your entire life, but were paying much more for the same thing.

you will see, one day.

I too fall for this stuff, still, and will take a Sapphire 3Dcard over a Club3D any day - but to be frank here, they probably both run at almost exactly the same FPS (all things being equal a 5870 sapphire VS a 5870 club3d)

 

[xrapidx]

Tell that you the guy that just spend R60,000 on a Pioneer Kuro

 

[Keeper]

Tell that you the guy that just spend R60,000 on a Pioneer Kuro

see, that's the thing with you - it's either good or it isn't - no grey area.....

OBVIOUSLY it will have better quality and features because you are talking about 60k


ok look, hear me out here...

we all know about R1000 levi's and we all know about pep clothes...
obviously the R1000 levi's are gonna be better than the R50 pep jeans...
but sometimes, you get a place like mr price that sells them for R150 - it's not cheap POS clothing yet it isn't way overpriced. it will probably last you 90% as long as the levi's - that's what i'm talking about

stop comparing *extremes* here!

sure a R30,000 42" sony might have nice features - but is it really 20K better than a R10,000 47" sinotec?

think about it, really man - stop telling me a 60k LCD is better than a 10k LCD - WE ALL KNOW THAT!

 

[djtzar]

Whoa there gentlemen , I decided on the 47 Sinotec as I have other commitments (wedding , honeymoon etc) to attend to. Will be picking it up this afternoon

But yeah , let's compare apples with apples , for the price range the Sinotec IS the best value for money (even though it's a "lucky packet" sometimes). I will be opening the box at the premises to check everything is OK.

What else should I be looking out for ? Flash Lighting ? Ghosting? Dead Pixels?

Guys , thx a mill for all the inputs!

 

[xrapidx]

see, that's the thing with you - it's either good or it isn't - no grey area.....

OBVIOUSLY it will have better quality and features because you are talking about 60k


ok look, hear me out here...

we all know about R1000 levi's and we all know about pep clothes...
obviously the R1000 levi's are gonna be better than the R50 pep jeans...
but sometimes, you get a place like mr price that sells them for R150 - it's not cheap POS clothing yet it isn't way overpriced. it will probably last you 90% as long as the levi's - that's what i'm talking about

stop comparing *extremes* here!

sure a R30,000 42" sony might have nice features - but is it really 20K better than a R10,000 47" sinotec?

think about it, really man - stop telling me a 60k LCD is better than a 10k LCD - WE ALL KNOW THAT!

Thing is, I compared the Sony, Sino (I actually went to buy it because I started the other thread), Samsung and Philips....

I chose the Sony, then took it back because of issues and bought the Samsung

My order of preference on display quality only (not sound) was Sony > Samsung > Sino > Philips. (and yes, the R6000 I spent more for the Samsung 46" was justified in my eyes.) I didn't want to sit with something for five years knowing I could have gotten a better quality item for a bit more

I spent a good amount of time in Makro, making them drag a player between displays before deciding on a screen... I could especially see the differences in dark action scenes.