[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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The secret ingredients in e-toll's Vienna sausage

http://www.bdlive.co.za/businesstim...secret-ingredients-in-e-toll-s-vienna-sausage

THERE will be some champagne corks popping this weekend in Austria — and the unlikely hero of the hour will be South African Supreme Court of Appeal Judge Fritz Brand.

This week’s decision by the appeal court to allow e-tolls to go ahead in Gauteng might not be good news for motorists, or anyone who is ever likely to buy bread in the province (economists estimate that prices will climb by 12c a loaf as a result) — but it sure is good for a company called Kapsch AG....
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Any update no where we should send our public correspondence? The email addresses still aren't working. I'm surprised neither OUTA or the DA or any other organisation has mentioned this yet...
 
Wyzak said:
Any update no where we should send our public correspondence? The email addresses still aren't working. I'm surprised neither OUTA or the DA or any other organisation has mentioned this yet...
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Wait for this week... I think it will come out, and come out from a few places.
 
Wyzak said:
The problem with that is that a registered letter sent to your legal address is deemed delivered after a certain period whether you received it or not.
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That does not apply at the Small Claims Court. They wanted proof from the PO that the registered letter had been delivered. The PO's tracking site showed only that two notifications had been sent to the addressee but he had not collected it. I was told to go and try again
 
chrisc4290 said:
That does not apply at the Small Claims Court. They wanted proof from the PO that the registered letter had been delivered. The PO's tracking site showed only that two notifications had been sent to the addressee but he had not collected it. I was told to go and try again
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The small claims court is a civil court, it might not apply to them, but it definitely applies to the criminal court (e-tolls).
 
Wyzak said:
The small claims court is a civil court, it might not apply to them, but it definitely applies to the criminal court (e-tolls).
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There were two types of 'recorded' post - registered and certified. The registered mail had proof of postage and proof of receipt. Certified was just proof of postage. I really don't know if they offer certified mail anymore.
 
Albereth said:
There were two types of 'recorded' post - registered and certified. The registered mail had proof of postage and proof of receipt. Certified was just proof of postage. I really don't know if they offer certified mail anymore.
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I haven't heard of certified post, so could be that it has fallen away as it doesn't do anything more than registered mail. I think the difference could also be in the wording of the criminal procedure act. It could specifically say there that registered mail to the legal address is considered delivered after x days even if not collected. Come to think of it, that could also by why the small claims court doesn't accept this, because you as an individual won't necessarily know what the other person's legal address is.
 
Johannesburg - The South African Roads Agency (Sanral) and the Justice Department were discussing the possibility of establishing special courts where e-toll non-payers could be prosecuted, Beeld reported on Monday.

Justice Department spokesperson Mthunzi Mhaga reportedly said Sanral had asked for such a court.

"We are still talking about what would be the best method."

The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) and the department of justice said they "could not speculate" on whether the country's legal system would be able to cope.

Bulewa Makeke, the NPA's head of communications, said it was the NPA's responsibility to allow courts to apply laws that had been accepted.

Sanral and former transport minister Ben Martins had earlier acknowledged that the controversial Aarto Act would not be used to prosecute e-toll non-payers, but rather the Criminal Procedure Act.

Motorists would receive fines by registered mail that could lead to a court summons.

According to the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance's court documents, this could be about 2.1 million summonses.

Vusi Mona, Sanral spokesperson, said motorists who did not pay their toll fees would be charged under the Sanral Act.

If the first debt collection process fails, a final notice will be sent and the matter will be handed over to the prosecuting authority.

It would be done electronically, he said.
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http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Sanral-in-talks-on-e-toll-courts-20131014
 
Yay for more overhead. Just remember folks, the fuel levy would not have had this operating cost, it would not have required e-toll booths in every big shopping mall. It would not have required Internet connections and massive steel structures over our roads. It would not have sent 700 million rand overseas per annum.
 
They seriously want to fck us over...

establishing special courts where e-toll non-payers
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hmm.. so rapist/murders/crime don't get a "special" court. But e-tolls do? WTF. Shows you that law abiding citizens are easy targets. Screw crime, go for non paying e-tolls citizens...

I hope the anc supports get some loving from these special courts...
 
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So, one person says non-payers will be prosecuted according to CPA. Other says according to SANRAL Act.

I suspect this hasn't been thought out in detail yet.
 
TelkomUseless said:
They seriously want to fck us over...

hmm.. so rapist/murders/crime don't get a "special" court. But e-tolls do? WTF. Shows you that law abiding citizens are easy targets. Screw crime, go for non paying e-tolls citizens...

I hope the anc supports get some loving from these special courts...
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Relax, this is just more scare tactics from SANRAL.
You should know by now to expect lies and BS.
 
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