[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Garyvdh said:
Portugal's tolling system has a 19% non-compliance rate and they are in massive financial troubles.
That means that more than 80% of people are actually paying their tolls, and the system is STILL not viable.
Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that our non-compliance rate will be far, far higher.
DJ and others have already pointed out that it is going to cost them far more to collect the money than they admit.
In fact, every road user in Gauteng SHOULD ACTUALLY be paying around R1,800.00 a month in order for them to just break even.

You might have your opinion, but the facts disagree with you.
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Do you honestly think that SANRAL and co are going to scrap the system because it's not sustainable? There's too much money at stake here to simply let the system fold. They'd rather increase fees ten fold before scrapping the system.
 
Jweb_@@ said:
Do you honestly think that SANRAL and co are going to scrap the system because it's not sustainable? There's too much money at stake here to simply let the system fold. They'd rather increase fees ten fold before scrapping the system.
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The ANC have already said they will not scrap the system, what we are trying to get them to do though is to switch back to the fuel levy.
There is no point to using a flawed system.
We need to stand together on this, not place doubt in people's minds or discourage them.
 
Garyvdh said:
The ANC have already said they will not scrap the system, what we are trying to get them to do though is to switch back to the fuel levy.
There is no point to using a flawed system.
We need to stand together on this, not place doubt in people's minds or discourage them.
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I completely agree. If there was ever a time for South Africans to stand together on an issue. This is it. However how do you get 3 million motorists to listen and not pay for these tolls?
 
Garyvdh said:
The ANC have already said they will not scrap the system, what we are trying to get them to do though is to switch back to the fuel levy.
There is no point to using a flawed system.
We need to stand together on this, not place doubt in people's minds or discourage them.
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I'm not trying try to discourage anyone or place doubt in anyone's mind. I just feel that the suggested approach of bringing down the system by doing nothing will fail dismally. This is the approach that's being advocated here, right? Or am i missing something?
We need a more pro active approach.
 
What's that proactive approach? If you have better ideas then we're all ears. Sincerely...
 
I see the DomPas is back: Etoll day pass.... #ProudlyANC
 
Jweb_@@ said:
Do you honestly think that SANRAL and co are going to scrap the system because it's not sustainable? There's too much money at stake here to simply let the system fold. They'd rather increase fees ten fold before scrapping the system.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-toll-road-is-going-nowhere-fast-8606755.html

Another toll road failure

The UK’s first attempt at a pay-as-you-go motorway, the M6 Toll, is proving such a flop that the local transport chief is demanding a cut in tolls – and possible re-nationalisation.
The M6 is the key artery through the West Midlands, but it also suffers from chronic congestion as part of Britain’s longest and most important motorway. The Birmingham Northern Relief Road, as the M6 Toll was originally known, was supposed to siphon off the through traffic between the South-east and the North-west. Originally, 72,000 vehicles a day were forecast to use the link, but just half that number of motorists take the route today. In contrast, the M6 itself is carrying 125,000 vehicles a day.
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Jweb_@@ said:
I'm not trying try to discourage anyone or place doubt in anyone's mind. I just feel that the suggested approach of bringing down the system by doing nothing will fail dismally. This is the approach that's being advocated here, right? Or am i missing something?
We need a more pro active approach.
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Money is the only thing that is important to them, and once they realize that the e-tolls don't bring in enough money for the system to pay itself off, and there is nothing left for them to steal they will have to opt switch to a system that brings in more money which also happens to be cheaper for us. AKA the fuel levy.
 
Wyzak said:
Money is the only thing that is important to them, and once they realize that the e-tolls don't bring in enough money for the system to pay itself off, and there is nothing left for them to steal they will have to opt switch to a system that brings in more money which also happens to be cheaper for us. AKA the fuel levy.
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The trouble is that they will go for the etolls AND the fuel levy.
 
Albereth said:
The trouble is that they will go for the etolls AND the fuel levy.
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Tolling systems have failed in countries far more advanced than ours. What is it about South Africa that makes you think it will work here? Is the money just going to magically flow out of our pockets? You do realise that for SANRAL to actually make money that people actually have to make payments? That doesn't just happen by fairy dust and magic.
 
I hear those gantry-shaped money printers don't actually work. I guess we'll see...
 
Garyvdh said:
Tolling systems have failed in countries far more advanced than ours. What is it about South Africa that makes you think it will work here? Is the money just going to magically flow out of our pockets? You do realise that for SANRAL to actually make money that people actually have to make payments? That doesn't just happen by fairy dust and magic.
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Slow down and read in the context.

When they find that etolls don't work they will add in a fuel levy. The etolls won't go away - that would be admitting fruitless and wasteful expenditure.
 
Albereth said:
Slow down and read in the context.

When they find that etolls don't work they will add in a fuel levy. The etolls won't go away - that would be admitting fruitless and wasteful expenditure.
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I can bet you that we are ALREADY paying for the e-tolling system through the fuel levy.
All those increases were not just oil-price fluctuations. ;)
How do you think they have been able to delay the implementation so far?

I don't disagree with you that they would love to have both.
Unfortunately for them, they bought a Lamborghini when all they can afford is a Kia.
It's as simple as finance economics.
 
What was the amount necessary that the fuel levy had to be raised by to pay for the etolls?
 
Paul_S said:
Around 9 cents/litre.
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Except it didn't. Fuel levy ALREADY generates R40bn pa ... or more.
Take out the collection system, and the collusion and corruption around the road improvements, and the EXISTING fuel levy would have EASILY covered it.
 
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