Modem/router for R1000?

[Pada]

feo, unless all you devices are set into bridge mode, you cannot have them on the same IP range.
If they're in router mode, the devices on its LAN and WAN connections have to be on different subnets.

 

[ichigo]

I have replaced all the linksys and cisco stuff on my home network with TP-Link equipment..

The TP-Link equipment is unbeatable at its price point... my network is rock solid, my ADSL doesn't go down...

I have been using TP-Link stuff for quite a while now and it has gone through power outages a lot and still holds strong

 

[feo]

feo, unless all you devices are set into bridge mode, you cannot have them on the same IP range.
If they're in router mode, the devices on its LAN and WAN connections have to be on different subnets.

So ADSL modem should be in bridge mode and in a different IP range to the router?

Sorry my network skills suck...

 

[TonyA]

Router and Modem in different ip range, only one to work as dhcp server (I chose modem), no need to place in bridge mode!

 

[Pada]

So ADSL modem should be in bridge mode and in a different IP range to the router?

Sorry my network skills suck...

No.

When your ADSL is in bridge mode, you'll have to dial the PPPoE connection (to your ISP) from the router that is connected to the ADSL modem.

If you leave the ADSL modem in router mode, where it dials the PPPoE connection, then you will just have to set the ADSL modem's IP address as the default gateway on the router that is connected to it.


Here's a quick guide on subnets & routing:
1) A subnet is defined by an IP address and subnet mask (eg. 10.0.0.3 IP address with a 255.255.255.0 subnet mask, accounts for the network 10.0.0.0 - 10.0.0.255)
Any traffic going to an IP address within that subnet will go directly to that IP address, without passing through the default gateway. If you haven't defined a default gateway or specified an IP address that isn't a gateway/router, then those packets will never reach their destination.
2) Once the traffic has to go to an IP address outside that subnet (eg. to 192.168.0.2), then your PC/router will send the data to its default gateway (which might be 10.0.0.2 in this case).
3) When the default gateway gets the packet that has to an IP address that falls outside its LAN subnet, then it typically sends it out on its WAN port and it also changes the source address to its own IP address (with something called source NAT or MASQUERADING).

Here are 2 example network setups: 1 that is routed and another that is bridged (except for the ADSL modem):

* I've marked each subnet in the same colour text & lines (representing WiFi/LAN connections). Click the image or this link to view the full size image.

In the routed setup, your access would be restricted, unless you add static routes on WiFi AP 2 and the ADSL modem. Without setting up static routes, the routers will do source NAT (replacing the packets source IP address with its own) and then machines on its WAN side will not know the original source to send the packets back to.

So I'd recommend that you add static routes like follow:
for WiFi AP 2:
add a static route WiFi AP 1's subnet: IP address 192.168.0.0, subnet mask 255.255.255.0, gateway 10.0.0.100

for ADSL modem:
1) add static route for WiFi AP 2's subnet: IP address 10.0.0.0, subnet mask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.1.1
2) add static route for WiFi AP 1's subnet: IP address 192.168.0.0, subnet mask 255.255.255.0, gateway 10.0.0.100 (or also 192.168.1.1 for the gateway)

 

[feo]

Ok so I got it sorted just when you posted that.

Basically I put the router WAN setting as PPPOE and the ADSL modem into bridge mode. The ISP login setting I put into the router and bam, that worked.

Quick question now, which is better, having the ADSL modem in bridge mode or in router mode?

 

[TonyA]

if it works leave it

 

[feo]

Well I am gonna leave it for now, but for interest sake I'd like to know which is better, having the modem in bridge mode and letting the router do the PPPoE stuff or having the modem do the PPPoE and then just having the router point to the modem as the default gateway.

Ideally I'd want as solid a network as possible at home because I have a lot of devices that use my ADSL as their Internet connections when I'm at home so I wanna at least understand the pros and cons of each method.

 

[TonyA]

I have a TP LINK 1043ND coupled to a Billion 7404G adsl modem/router. The billion has a different ip address to the tplink and acts as home gateway to the internet. I found this setup very stable with both the router and adsl modem having been up now for 61 days with no problems experienced. I have up to 7 devices connected at times both wired and wireless. Lan speeds good, wan speeds dependant on how many users on internet. I have a 4 mbits line!

 

[feo]

I have a TP LINK 1043ND coupled to a Billion 7404G adsl modem/router. The billion has a different ip address to the tplink and acts as home gateway to the internet. I found this setup very stable with both the router and adsl modem having been up now for 61 days with no problems experienced. I have up to 7 devices connected at times both wired and wireless. Lan speeds good, wan speeds dependant on how many users on internet. I have a 4 mbits line!

So your Billion is not in bridge mode like mine is then? If I may ask, what settings do you have on your 1043ND to get your net connection?

 

[TonyA]

TP Link set on Dynamic IP with own IP Address

 

[feo]

So in the WAN section, under WAN connection type, you choose dynamic IP?

What do you mean by "own IP address"?

 

[TonyA]

.Under setup in TP Link choose Dynamic IP for connection type. Set Router to 192.168.0.1 and Adsl modem to 192.168.1.1 for example. When I set it the TP Link automatically gace itself a new IP address as the billion had same address

 

[sajunky]

So your Billion is not in bridge mode like mine is then? If I may ask, what settings do you have on your 1043ND to get your net connection?

In my understanding subnet mask on the router is 255.255.255.0 and then Billion is outside IP range, works in router mode.

 

[Pada]

Well I am gonna leave it for now, but for interest sake I'd like to know which is better, having the modem in bridge mode and letting the router do the PPPoE stuff or having the modem do the PPPoE and then just having the router point to the modem as the default gateway.

Ideally I'd want as solid a network as possible at home because I have a lot of devices that use my ADSL as their Internet connections when I'm at home so I wanna at least understand the pros and cons of each method.

In my opinion it is better to have the ADSL modem in bridge mode and then dialing the PPPoE connection from another router. This way you have 1 less hop for packets to travel to the Internet.

In my setup at my home I'm also using my ADSL modem in bridge mode and then dialing the PPPoE connections from a router PC.

I'd say leave your setup as is.

You're welcome to post more details on how your current setup is if you're having issues like where all the PC's can't access each other.

 

[feo]

In my opinion it is better to have the ADSL modem in bridge mode and then dialing the PPPoE connection from another router. This way you have 1 less hop for packets to travel to the Internet.

In my setup at my home I'm also using my ADSL modem in bridge mode and then dialing the PPPoE connections from a router PC.

I'd say leave your setup as is.

You're welcome to post more details on how your current setup is if you're having issues like where all the PC's can't access each other.

Ok, is there any way I can access my ADSL modem's interface page with my setup?

Right now I can only access my router and client bridge router's pages...the ADSL modem has an IP of 192.168.1.1 whereas all the other routers are 192.168.0.x ...

 

[Pada]

Your router that is connected to your ADSL modem would have to have a WAN IP address in the 192.168.1.x range then, otherwise you won't be able to access your ADSL modem.
If your ADSL modem has multiple LAN ports, then you can always plug in your PC/laptop directly into the ADSL modem...

Otherwise you'll have to change your router that is connected to the ADSL modem into bridge mode too, and then let the ADSL modem dial the PPPoE connection to your ISP. Oh, and in this case your ADSL modem's IP range has to be in 192.168.0.x too.