Morne Steyn vs Ruan Pienaar

Who is the best flyhalf and should wear the Nr. 10 Springbok jersey?

  • Morne Steyn

    Votes: 145 78.0%

  • Ruan Pienaar

    Votes: 41 22.0%
  • Total voters
    186
this is so silly. Ruan is clearly the better overall player. How long have people been watching rugby?
 
capetownguy said:
this is so silly. Ruan is clearly the better overall player. How long have people been watching rugby?
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Sorry could you please give us at least a clue as to what you are basing your assumption on?

Or maybe even why if you have been watching rugby for 10 years it makes you a better judge...

My gran loves her rugby and she has been watching rugby for the last 40 years(on TV now but at the games themselves when she was younger), but I am 100% sure I know the game a lot better than her as well as being a better judge of a player than her.
 
Devill said:
Sorry could you please give us at least a clue as to what you are basing your assumption on?

Or maybe even why if you have been watching rugby for 10 years it makes you a better judge...

My gran loves her rugby and she has been watching rugby for the last 40 years(on TV now but at the games themselves when she was younger), but I am 100% sure I know the game a lot better than her as well as being a better judge of a player than her.
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I watched Naas in the 80's and would have to say that Steyn is getting close to that.
Naas never tackled, Steyn misses a few, but still goes for it, and seen him in a few rucks.
If Naas went into a ruck against WeePee, they'd never have found him again.
 
alf101 said:
I watched Naas in the 80's and would have to say that Steyn is getting close to that.
Naas never tackled, Steyn misses a few, but still goes for it, and seen him in a few rucks.
If Naas went into a ruck against WeePee, they'd never have found him again.
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Rofl :D

Well he was famous for him being the only one with (still) white pt shorts after the game ;)

Steyn is already a good flyhalf, IMO he has shown that he is of international qaulity these last two games. Bloody hell scoring 50+ points in your first two test ( the others start he had was with a *SA B-Team) against two of the worlds strongest test teams is pretty impressive IMO.

*SA B-Team, not SAB team :p
 
alf101 said:
I watched Naas in the 80's and would have to say that Steyn is getting close to that.
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I loved Naas in the 80s and when I moved from Rustenburg to Cape Town, he was at the top of his game. I had as much trouble back then convincing people he was the best as I do now, convincing them that Morné is tops. Slowly slowly, they are coming on line...
 
Yea i have to ask myself what morne needs to do to show people he is the man for the job?

Is 51 points in 2 games not enough? Is 90% kicking not enough? I mean what do some people need to get it into their brain do you guys think?
 
killadoob said:
How do you know this?

He has started 2 games for SA with a full team and in both games he has broken records. Now that is in 2 games. Morne is going to become an SA legend.

I am not sure HTF you can a make a statement like that, absolutly amazing if you ask me.
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About as amazing as comparing Morne to Naas after only 2 starts... if you ask me...

He's just managing to retain his position in the team ahead of Ruan, let's not get carried away about where he is in the context of legend status.

The true measure of a players greatness is his consistency and longevity, neither of which Morne has proven at this stage so while I'll agree the way he controlled the game in the last 2 outings was as well as Naas Botha used to, let him do it another 50 x for SA then we can start comparing him to Botha...

Bear in mind Naas debuted for SA at 22 or something ridiculous and retired at 34 still the 1st choice flyhalf, was unfortunate to play his rugby in an era of sporting isolation for SA, he would have broken many records as he did for Northerns...
 
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You guys really do make me laugh. And it is interesting to see capetownguy providing the only bit of sensible posting in this thread!

Yes, Morne got most of his penalties over but did any of you Morne fans notice the fact that our centres remained pretty much anonymous for the entire game. I only recall seeing Jacque Fourie once near the end! Added to this the only try created by the "backline" was by our hooker!!

If you guys want to learn something about rugby then start reading planetrugby and scrum.com. There have been numerous articles on those sites discussing the concern at South Africa's current inability to score tries from attacking positions! Yes, we kick wonderfully for field position, with thanks to Frans and Fourie too, and we get a lot of our penalties over but we cannot get our backline going.

Habana and Pietersen have effectively become chasers only! They hardly ever see the ball come to them down the line. Guys this playing style will win games for a while but eventually at test level the opposition will work you out... You need more than one dimension. You need a flyhalf who on occasion attacks the line, chips over the defence, passes down the line etc etc etc. This keeps the defence guessing.

All you guys are seeing is Morne kicking over the penalties, which the forwards should in fact be getting credit for, and you are singing his praises! We need more if we want to stay on top!!
 
LancelotSA said:
You guys really do make me laugh. And it is interesting to see capetownguy providing the only bit of sensible posting in this thread!
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Yeah sure, he's probably the only one that posts the words you would like to hear I presume. I am glad that you also regard your own posting here as not sensible, at least you are honest regards to your own failures.
 
LancelotSA said:
If you guys want to learn something about rugby then start reading planetrugby and scrum.com. There have been numerous articles on those sites discussing the concern at South Africa's current inability to score tries from attacking positions!
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That's been said about South African for the last 2 decades, what's new?

You would think that the only way to win a rugby match is by scoring tries but believe it or not it isn't.

I've watched Saturdays match again and honestly there was nothing wrong with Morne's ball distribution. He did it adequately for the Bulls in the Super14 and he continues to do it for the Boks.

For 30 minutes the Boks ran the ball and then for the remaining 50 they decided to opt for the kick and chase tactic. The bottom line is a 29-17 victory. What's the problem?

In 99 against the Lions we played a running expansive game, scored more tries then the opposition and lost the series on the back of shocking place kicking.

I prefer winning, dunno bout you Lance...
 
I am Penguin said:
Yeah sure, he's probably the only one that posts the words you would like to hear I presume. I am glad that you also regard your own posting here as not sensible, at least you are honest regards to your own failures.
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Oh yay, we got you attacking the individual again! That makes a change...

The topic is about Ruan and Morne... not me. If you battle to follow then the thread title usually gives you a hint....
 
sandmanm34 said:
That's been said about South African for the last 2 decades, what's new?

You would think that the only way to win a rugby match is by scoring tries but believe it or not it isn't.

I've watched Saturdays match again and honestly there was nothing wrong with Morne's ball distribution. He did it adequately for the Bulls in the Super14 and he continues to do it for the Boks.

For 30 minutes the Boks ran the ball and then for the remaining 50 they decided to opt for the kick and chase tactic. The bottom line is a 29-17 victory. What's the problem?

In 99 against the Lions we played a running expansive game, scored more tries then the opposition and lost the series on the back of shocking place kicking.

I prefer winning, dunno bout you Lance...
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Yes, I enjoy winning too. The discussion is not about whether we prefer the Boks to win or lose but about flyhalf choice. We will never know whether we would have won with Ruan instead of Morne.

I do not think these games have been won by Morne alone. Yes, he slotted the penalties but the positions were created by the forwards. You will also see that I, and others, have never once questioned his kicking skills. There are other areas in which he is far from perfect and this is what we have pointed out just as the anti-Ruan guys have only focussed on his kicking.

If he were perfect then fine.... but he is not...

I bet if most Morne fans were to be honest they'd agree that the American football rules of allowing a specialist kicker to come on to kick penalties would be the best option for the Springboks. Let Ruan play and Morne kick. Admitting to this would be agreeing with what all of us have been arguing...
 
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LancelotSA said:
You guys really do make me laugh. And it is interesting to see capetownguy providing the only bit of sensible posting in this thread!
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LancelotSA said:
Oh yay, we got you attacking the individual again! That makes a change... ...
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Rich coming from a poster that attacked everyone else posting in this thread (including himself) by alluding they post nonsense!
 
LancelotSA said:
You guys really do make me laugh. And it is interesting to see capetownguy providing the only bit of sensible posting in this thread!

Yes, Morne got most of his penalties over but did any of you Morne fans notice the fact that our centres remained pretty much anonymous for the entire game. I only recall seeing Jacque Fourie once near the end! Added to this the only try created by the "backline" was by our hooker!!

If you guys want to learn something about rugby then start reading planetrugby and scrum.com. There have been numerous articles on those sites discussing the concern at South Africa's current inability to score tries from attacking positions! Yes, we kick wonderfully for field position, with thanks to Frans and Fourie too, and we get a lot of our penalties over but we cannot get our backline going.

Habana and Pietersen have effectively become chasers only! They hardly ever see the ball come to them down the line. Guys this playing style will win games for a while but eventually at test level the opposition will work you out... You need more than one dimension. You need a flyhalf who on occasion attacks the line, chips over the defence, passes down the line etc etc etc. This keeps the defence guessing.

All you guys are seeing is Morne kicking over the penalties, which the forwards should in fact be getting credit for, and you are singing his praises! We need more if we want to stay on top!!
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Some of us don't have to go to planetrugby and scrum.com to be able to form an opinion.;)
 
I am Penguin said:
Rich coming from a poster that attacked everyone else posting in this thread (including himself) by alluding they post nonsense!
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Again the thread topic is Morne Steyn vs Ruan Pienaar

alf101 said:
Some of us don't have to go to planetrugby and scrum.com to be able to form an opinion.;)
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Yip, and most people would do well to remember they are just that, opinions. Which is why I have to chuckle when some people start attacking individuals because of their opinion.

In my defence I did not state they need to go to those sites to form an opinion but rather to educate themselves. ;)
 
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