MTN hits Cell C where it hurts

Actually its not as bad as the article makes it out to be.

The article seems to miss a very important chart showing how much Cell C will make on asymmetry(when Vodacom and MTN customers call a Cell C subscriber) so even if they drop their price to R0.79 they will still be in a better position than before these new rates because the net amount paid to the big two will now be significantly less.

Also MTN's prepaid rate requires you to jump through hoops and buy bundles to use it instead of just being a straight up prepaid rate,making the customer work to get the discount.This would mean that if Cell C had to drop to R79c then the better product will always be the simplest one rather than one that require you to "sing a special song at a special time while standing upside down and looking at a beggars toes" as is the case with MTN's prepaid rate.
 
The article seems to miss a very important chart showing how much Cell C will make on asymmetry(when Vodacom and MTN customers call a Cell C subscriber) so even if they drop their price to R0.79 they will still be in a better position than before these new rates because the net amount paid to the big two will now be significantly less.
Asymmetry will help, but Cell C will lose 20c per minute on its bottom line for on-net calls - there is no compensation for that. Also: It is not getting more money from Vodacom and MTN because of asymmetry - it is getting the same as previously.
 
Time to jump ship?

Time for contract renewal is up, think I will wait until I can cancel it, then look at Telkom Mobile.
 
If this causes Cell C to die a martyrs death then so be it I say, even though I'm their biggest fan. If they have overextended themselves and they fail, then it is purely businessess. At least the consumer will have the lower call rates because MTN and Vodacom can't raise the price again once they have lowered it. That would just be suicide.
 
It will be sad to see CellC go out with a whimper.

They have helped to change the mobile landscape for the better.

Hopefully their successor will continue in that tradition, of giving value to the customer.

But it is too early to say what will happen. Something unexpected may happen... or may not happen... let's wait and see.
 
but MTN's billing and call centre are awful that alone is enough to put me off MTN.

Swore after the last contract with them that I would never subject myself to such crap service.
 
If this causes Cell C to die a martyrs death then so be it I say, even though I'm their biggest fan. If they have overextended themselves and they fail, then it is purely businessess. At least the consumer will have the lower call rates because MTN and Vodacom can't raise the price again once they have lowered it. That would just be suicide.

What makes you think MTN or vodacom wont/cant raise the prices once they lowered it? They certainly dont care how much they charge (until recently and its still only a promotion) up to now. Less choice means that the consumer will just have to pay and they know it.
 
If this causes Cell C to die a martyrs death then so be it I say, even though I'm their biggest fan. If they have overextended themselves and they fail, then it is purely businessess. At least the consumer will have the lower call rates because MTN and Vodacom can't raise the price again once they have lowered it. That would just be suicide.

And when the competition (i.e. CellC) is gone? :erm:

Screw that. Cell C has done more for the consumer than the two monopolistic giants ever tried to do.
 
Its prepaid only, and its limited to 9th July. So unless they make it permanent pricing, then its not a serious as the article implies.

I dare both the vodacom and mtn to make these specials permanent, and also for contract customers.
 
Can someone please post the small print at a readable size?
But yeah MTN made an interesting move.
 
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Unless you are a CellC shareholder or holder of unsecured debt in CellC this isn't "bad news"

Lets look at the table: The VAT component is much of a muchness with lower tariffs meaning less VAT proportionately however the tax man looses money to the benefit of the consumer (and to the benefit of uptake and potentially the operators). The distribution component is placed as constant but this covers the core costs so CellCs infrastructure (and roaming with Vodacom) is covered which means that the real change before CTRs were affected is that CellC gets 1.01c per minute and there are more minutes on the CellC network.

Now MTN reducing the tariffs on all-net calls rather than on-net calls increases the calls made to CellC - which means they benefit from an inflow of revenue from MTN (and provided they actually put this revenue into network operations is good) and causes MTN to be reducing the price of communications and basic demand will increase the call volumes (so even if revenue remains constant there are more minutes being bought so more money into network building - and hopefully network building on the data side). For MTN to be providing a tariff below there own cost to provision (which remember is higher because of asymmetry) would be illegal under our competition laws and they will no doubt in the long run be nailed. If MTN SA are playing the game Telkom attempted a few years ago they will - to the annoyance of MTN group - quickly find themselves in deep trouble and will probably face a wholesale / retail type split (despite the merging of stuff last year).

If CellC cannot sustain the price war they've started then so be it. The assets of CellC can be bought up (and have largely already been unloaded) and Telkom Mobile will simply step up a bit and room for other operators will increase. The real challenge is regulatory barriers to operate as an MNO and currently that is less of an issue with the overall licensing landscape. A failed CellC could well be bought up by a VoIP provider or group of VoIP providers and ISPs.

The bigger challenge for CellC really is what happens at the end of these 6 months of some certainty but MTN and Vodacom have the same challenge and need to start thinking about the situation with a little more care than they have. The horribly misguided legal challenge probably sliced about two months of time which should have been spent on more profitable activities and introduced a lot of animosity and bad blood.

I do think that this is a Dick move by MTN (both in the conventional sense and as a reference to being like Nixon :)) but ultimately we need to look at the big picture and a lot of consequences to the move. To simply say that MTN is slicing off 18.9c of the revenue per minute which CellC has to put their finances in order looses sight of the fact that the CTR change causes the total revenue to CellC to increase and if they were unable to have adequately put their finances on realistic revenue inflows then they really can't survive.
 
And when the competition (i.e. CellC) is gone? :erm:

Screw that. Cell C has done more for the consumer than the two monopolistic giants ever tried to do.
In the absence of regulatory barriers and with infrastructure on the market (ATC will not allow their assets to sit generating no revenue) one or more operators will enter the space.
 
Vodacom can actually come in for the kill at 89c -> 99c even, they have the most interesting on-net call options with their power hour etc.
But it need to go past the realm of promotions.
 
Vodacom can actually come in for the kill at 89c -> 99c even, they have the most interesting on-net call options with their power hour etc.
But it need to go past the realm of promotions.

IMHO Vodacom can gain an upper hand by creating calling bundles for prepaid and contract subscribers - but keep it reasonably simple - off-net calls at 49c per minute (so bundles of R49 for 100 minutes valid for 3 days) will be the "lowest off-net calls"

edited to change 7 to 3 - brain fart, meant 3 days
basically if a customer purchases 10 a month it is R490 and you are looking at a usage of about half an hour a day on this basis.
 
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Staying with cellc for 99c.


MTN you need to jump up and down on one foot while holding a phone in one hand and a bowling bowl in the other to get 79c per min.

Vodacom will have the same stupid promo ****:/
 
Cellc is still simple. I have contract and the rate is still 99c. Until MTN changes contract prices, simplifies billing and gets it right, I will remain on cellc at 99C - The power is still in my hands :D
 
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