Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

falcon786 said:
The barbaric hordes have made space ships years ago THESE atheists in this thread could have you believe that because they VERY good at twisting the truth,look at how porchrat misquoted websters.To anyone reading this entire thread thats not trying to push an atheist agenda it will be very apparent that they hate religion but preach tolerance lol bunch of hypocrites.
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Feel free to respond to my perfectly logical explanation as opposed to bad mouthing me.

Hate religion? Sure I find some practices in religions distasteful but hate? Nope. I have plenty of theistic friends and I get along perfectly well with them.

What is this atheist agenda? :confused:
 
please can we grow up and realise that there is no proving or disproving anything in the supernatural realm?

You cannot prove or disprove God

You cannot prove or disprove Unicorns, the devil, angels, heaven, hell, leprechauns, the tokolosh.

Evolution is a scientific theory that explains how the single cell over billions of years is responsible for all the diversity you see today, it is a scientific theory or explanation much like gravity or germ theory or relativity.

You either accept it or have some philosophical insecurity about it.

If there was a god, he would have flicked hitlers head off. but he never so does that mean he like's to watch, eating popcorn?
 
Techne said:
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And please read up on science in the middle ages and how the scientific method was developed :).
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I do that often... now lets talk about the dark ages
 
Nicodeamus said:
What exactly is an atheist agenda?
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Whatever it is, I don't think it is going to make a difference. Atheism on its own is pretty useless and hasn't contributed anything good or bad... ever.

CoolBug said:
please can we grow up and realise that there is no proving or disproving anything in the supernatural realm?

You cannot prove or disprove God
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You can prove or disprove something with deductive logic. Read up on Aquinas' Five Ways.

CoolBug said:
Evolution is a scientific theory that explains how the single cell over billions of years is responsible for all the diversity you see today, it is a scientific theory or explanation much like gravity or germ theory or relativity.
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Gravity happens, evolution happens. But if the theory of evolution is anything like the theory of gravity then we don't know much quite frankly.

CoolBug said:
If there was a god, he would have flicked hitlers head off. but he never so does that mean he like's to watch, eating popcorn?
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Lol. Nice fallacious argument you made there.
 
Techne said:
Whatever it is, I don't think it is going to make a difference. Atheism on its own is pretty useless and hasn't contributed anything good or bad... ever.
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If you weight the pros and cons of religion, in fact there are few pros then you realize that it is pretty useless and also dangerous.
 
Nicodeamus said:
What exactly is an atheist agenda?
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promote skepticism I'd say.

Skepticism of everything, including science, not just the supernatural.

Don't dismiss science arrogantly, do honest, unbias research.
 
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Nicodeamus said:
If you weight the pros and cons of religion, in fact there are few pros then you realize that it is pretty useless and also dangerous.
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That is very subjective and does not prove it is true or not.
 
Nicodeamus said:
cons of religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
pros: a lot of endorphins and you find acceptance by an imaginary being,
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You can pretty much make the same argument against governments. For example:
Cons of government: Steals money in the form of taxation. Many wars have been fought between many governments. In fact, you can say just about every major war is as a result of some governmental-type authority.
Pros: People think governments are good.

Neither of these prove anything unfortunately. You haven't proven religious is false or wrong or unnecessary and I haven't proven governments are wrong or unnecessary.

Still very subjective.
 
Techne said:
You can pretty much make the same argument against governments. For example:
Cons of government: Steals money in the form of taxation. Many wars have been fought between many governments. In fact, you can say just about every major war is as a result of some governmental-type authority.
Pros: People think governments are good.

Neither of these prove anything unfortunately. You haven't proven religious is false or wrong or unnecessary and I haven't proven governments are wrong or unnecessary.

Still very subjective.
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I'm actually against governments, I find people's belief in democracy just as absurd as someone's believe in that little big guy up stairs.

However people killed in the name of religion, if you remove the religion part then people won't kill in the name of religion. - fact. They might kill for something else (usually a odd belief system), which proves the point that belief in the imaginary, is absurd and dangerous.

This is not very subjective, because it is factual!
 
Techne said:
Whatever it is, I don't think it is going to make a difference. Atheism on its own is pretty useless and hasn't contributed anything good or bad... ever.
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And that compared to all the good that the "religion of peace" contributes.

At least 58 dead from dual blasts in Afghanistan

At least 58 people are dead after explosions hit the Afghan cities of Kabul and Mazar-e Sharif on Tuesday, the Shiite holy day of Ashura, officials said.

One attack occurred when a suicide bomber detonated a device at a Shiite shrine in Kabul, killing 54 people, Afghan Health Ministry spokesman Kargar Norughli said. Another 150 were injured.

Another four people were killed by another explosion in Mazar-e Sharif, the provincial capital of Afghanistan's northern Balkh province, police official Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai said. Another 21 were injured in that attack.

"The enemies tried to spread fear in this important holiday in the city," Ahmadzai said.

Ashura commemorates the martyrdom of Hussein, grandson of the Prophet Muhammad. Hussein was killed in battle in Karbala, Iraq in 680, one of the events that helped create the schism between Sunnis and Shiites, the two main Muslim religious movements. Shiites are a minority presence in Afghanistan, which is predominantly Sunni.
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Nicodeamus said:
I'm actually against governments, I find people's belief in democracy just as absurd as someone's believe in that little big guy up stairs.
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Well, I tend to agree with much you have to say about governments. I disagree with the idea that they should be totally removed. I am however for some kind of government between total anarchy and the welfare states we see today. Classical liberalism is probably closest to describing my views at present.

Nicodeamus said:
However people killed in the name of religion, if you remove the religion part then people won't kill in the name of religion. - fact.
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Probably true, but trivially so. People kill and they will tend to find any excuse to go to war. The problem is not religion, the problem is ideology. If there was no religion people would still go to war as a result of differing ideologies.

Nicodeamus said:
They might kill for something else (usually a odd belief system), which proves the point that belief in the imaginary, is absurd and dangerous.

This is not very subjective, because it is factual!
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I can agree that belief in the imaginary can be potentially dangerous. But you are being disingenuous if you think religious people believe in the imaginary. For them God is very real. You may opine that God is imaginary, I disagree. But to say all religious people believe in the imaginary is just disingenuous and quite frankly just insulting.
But this is probably just as a result of a deep disagreement between atheists and theists.
 
Techne said:
I can agree that belief in the imaginary can be potentially dangerous. But you are being disingenuous if you think religious people believe in the imaginary. For them God is very real. You may opine that God is imaginary, I disagree. But to say all religious people believe in the imaginary is just disingenuous and quite frankly just insulting.
But this is probably just as a result of a deep disagreement between atheists and theists.
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Reality is based on facts. There is not sufficient evidence to prove that a God exists - fact. The very definition of reality is things that can be seen or proven. Therefore if God cannot be proven, then God is not real. It is a simply hypothesis. Until the day that God is proven he will remain nothing more than a guess.

Probably true, but trivially so. People kill and they will tend to find any excuse to go to war. The problem is not religion, the problem is ideology. If there was no religion people would still go to war as a result of differing ideologies
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Yes, that might be true, however if you remove religion then they have 1 less thing to go to war over.
 
Steven Weinberg, "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
 
Nerfherder said:
To remove the blinkers and reveal the truth
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The truth,what truth?Please do reveal the truth .We are listening.

Please tell me quick before the admin bans me as per your threat of reporting me lol...any luck with that yet btw?;)

Nicodeamus said:
pros: a lot of endorphins and you find acceptance by an imaginary being,
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Ill get back to that just now once we establish what the atheist agenda is from nerfherder,he says its to remove the blinkers and reveal the truth ,this is going to be interesting.....Im going to get my popcorn.Anyone else wants some as nerfherder claims to have done what humanity for ages could not do,find the truth.Now this is exciting indeed.:D
 
falcon786 said:
The truth,what truth?Please do reveal the truth .We are listening.

Please tell me quick before the admin bans me as per your threat of reporting me lol...any luck with that yet btw?;)



Ill get back to that just now once we establish what the atheist agenda is from nerfherder,he says its to remove the blinkers and reveal the truth ,this is going to be interesting.....Im going to get my popcorn.Anyone else wants some as nerfherder claims to have done what humanity for ages could not do,find the truth.Now this is exciting indeed.:D
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There is no god.

You are alone.

We are arguing about the existence of nothing.
 
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