Muslims protect churches

[racer]

http://www.freerepublic.com

you're honestly using "information" from a nutjob right-wing site to prove your points? and we're meant to take you seriously?

 

[Fazda]

you're honestly using "information" from a nutjob right-wing site to prove your points? and we're meant to take you seriously?

Now you know what we are dealing with. A couple of people who are prepared to spread as much hate and disinformation in order to try and get people to support their own particular dangerous (in my opinion) point of view.

Some seriously sick minds I'm afraid.


EDIT - seeing as phenom is calling me a Bigot, I would just like him to read the definition of the word, and try and understand the actual meaning of the word.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, various mental disorders, or religion.
The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie (bigotry) in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

 

[Mineer]

Now you know what we are dealing with. A couple of people who are prepared to spread as much hate and disinformation in order to try and get people to support their own particular dangerous (in my opinion) point of view.

Some seriously sick minds I'm afraid.

Yes if they are to believed then even when MUSLIMS protect a church there is some sort of deviant underlining agenda there. They quote and quote their hate but they conveiently forget this verse "Qur'an 2:256"

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

While discussing the issue of apostasy in Islam, probably no verse is more frequently cited to decide the issue, especially by Muslims in the West who advocate freedom of religion, than Qur'an 2:256: "There is no compulsion in religion."

S. A. Rahman makes the distinct claim:

This verse is one of the most important verses in the Qur'an, containing a charter of freedom of conscience unparalleled in the religious annals of mankind.... [1]
While discussing the nature of jihad, Dr. Abdelwahib Boase, formerly professor at University of Fez and then a research associate at Westfield College, University of London, writes:

... it must be emphasized that jihad in the military sense does not have as its object the propagation of religion. The fallacy that Islam imposes on the non-Muslim the choice between "conversion or the sword" is disproved by the Quranic injunction: "There is no coercion in matters of faith."[2]
In a personal letter, dated January 2O, 1986, Hasan Moola writes from Saskatchewan, Canada:

Muslims have never compelled non-Muslims to become Muslims, and this myth has been propagated by Western Christian writers, like yourself. In fact it is quite clearly written in the Qur'an Surah 2 verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion."[3]
A portion of a letter to the editor of a Toronto newspaper reads:

... it was Islam that proclaimed, "there is no compulsion in religion" when the echo of the time was "onward Christian soldiers".... After all, Muslims have been presented with the perfect belief system and they would like to share it peacefully with all those people with whom they share the Earth.[4]
An important commentary of the Ahmadiyya Community comments on this verse:

... The verse enjoins Muslims in the clearest and strongest of words not to resort to force for converling non-Muslims to Islam. In the face of this teaching ... it is the height of injustice to accuse Islam of countenancing the use of force for the propagation of its teaching.[5]

It Should be clear then "Obama must convert or die" has no place in Islam or any one else for that matter

 

[sparticus]

Wow, really hate Muslims don't you?

Jaa he is a bit of a **** , such a good article and he goes and say such k@k , just ignore the idiot.

 

[sparticus]

And besides, where are the Muslims that are so ever standing against these terrorists, are their any? only 2 out of 1.5 billion? why don't they say something?

I am not going to comment on all the *** that u saying cos u a d o o s and believe what u want too , this topic was firstly a positive one and one that should build bridges yet you seem to be in love with your hatred of all things muslim , I dont care what evidence u have especially your version of muslims being indoctrinated and mutilated from birth , u evidence is k@k , I grew up as a muslim and should and do know better than you so jaa , anyway just to add where are all the catholics that stand up against child molestation ? or never mind catholics, Christians in general ? Everyday and I mean everyday we hear about priest and teachers who molest's kids. Are u a Christian ? What have u done publicly to oppose and stop it ?

Sounds crazy hey , same for me when u say the above. I have many non muslim friends but I certainly dont view them as pedophiles or supporters of child molestation. Grow up and peace.

 

[sparticus]

Muslim is a choice, White is not.

First off , its Islam not Muslim , get it right as for White is not a choice , yes true bit being a racist white like the AWB or KKK is a choice.

Islam peaches what threatens and harms us, 'WHITE' does not.

Peaches really ? U want some cream with that peaches ? Anyway Islam does not PREACH what threatens and harms us , Islamic extremist does , same like white Christian Extremist do.

White is a colour/set of genes and has no relation WHAT SO EVER to politics, and saying that it would would in fact b blatantly racist.

What do u call the apartheid government then ? They were white and only they were in power ? Right through history we see politics and religion and segregation go hand in hand.

The AWB not Whites preached what it did, Islam and not Arabs preaches what it does

Again , why refer to AWB and not White Christians but then refer to Islam instead of Muslim Extremist ? Does the AWB not claim their superiority is based on what the Bible says ? I am not fully educated in this but something alone the line that God made them better ? (apologies if wrong , only local internet for the day and cannot check the web)

Nazism not Germans preached what it did. Islam is a movement just like all the other, it is a choice and aims to remove our rights and thus it should be put to citisim and blam, just like all movements(AWB and Nazism is no exception in the least), which don't simply mind their own business.

Wait so the Nazi's killed millions of innocent people but its not the Germans right ? But when Extremist Muslims kills people then its Islam fault ? , what religion by the way was the Hitler ? He was raised as a Roman Catholic and favored aspects of protestantism as it was more suited to his needs , does that mean all Catholics and Protestants are murderers and terrorist's ? Common , logic please.

We blame Islam as we blame the AWB or we blame Nazism. We do not put the blame on things people can't chose such as race, and as here, Islam is NOT A RACE.

If so then Dont blame AWB or Nazism , use the same thinking and blame Christianity cos the AWB says they are superior and they use the bible to prove it , Hitler was Christian In public he often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and professed a belief in an Aryan Jesus Christ, a Jesus who fought against the Jews.In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of his interpretation of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.


To be honest I dont believe a single thing I wrote above , I dont believe Christians are pedophiles are support child molestation , I dont believe Christians are terrorist and killers but I was trying to use your logic.

 

[Lightscribe]

you're honestly using "information" from a nutjob right-wing site to prove your points? and we're meant to take you seriously?

It's referenced by the writer, if you need the info they got it from. Don't like the truth about the soviets and Islam, tough. Come, cry some more...

 

[Lightscribe]

Now you know what we are dealing with. A couple of people who are prepared to spread as much hate and disinformation in order to try and get people to support their own particular dangerous (in my opinion) point of view.

Some seriously sick minds I'm afraid.

So true...http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm

Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa also described operation "SIG" (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972, to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States.[58] According to him, KGB chairman Yury Andropov explained him that "a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States." Andropov also told him that "the Islamic world was a waiting petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hatred, grown from the bacterium of Marxist-Leninist thought."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_sponsorship_of_terrorism

 

[Lightscribe]

Yes if they are to believed then even when MUSLIMS protect a church there is some sort of deviant underlining agenda there. They quote and quote their hate but they conveiently forget this verse "Qur'an 2:256"

It Should be clear then "Obama must convert or die" has no place in Islam or any one else for that matter

I love that some Muslims showed compassion.

Others were busy threatening more churches...Britain is on high alert...Mmmmm wonder who the real haters are.

I quote and quote the hate of others, against the world...

 

[Mineer]

I love that some Muslims showed compassion.

Others were busy threatening more churches...Britain is on high alert...Mmmmm wonder who the real haters are.

I quote and quote the hate of others, against the world...

You see my friend there are people who bend and twist to promote their agenda, which is funny cos I will admit that even so called Muslims are doing the bending and twisting, both you and these extremist forge on and say this is what is Islam is, both overlooking one simple verse, ironic me thinks.

As for female circumcision, tell me have you met or talked to any muslim Female or male here in South Africa, Cos you will find non of the Muslims here practices this, yes male circumcision is practiced, As far I have researched on the topic some ppl practice this in parts of Africa Somalia comes to mind, but nothing can be traced back to the time of our prophet S.A.W. nor have any of the woman of that time been subjected to this procedure, So the practice is again no basis in Islam, I have read your links on the topic also seen some supposed shieks agreeing on this practice but again non can be traced to the teachings of our prophet, So where these guys come on this bogels my mind.

You say you "quote and quote the hate of others, against the world" but all you are quoting is mis-information.

Proper study of the text would show both, you and the extremist the fallacy of your logics.

 

[sparticus]

My "Obama must convert to Islam or" thread was closed for some reason even though I thought things went reasonably okay there ... but other threads in the same vein remain open. What in my "Obama" thread was worse than what has been said here?

And that was a very good thread , at least in the first few pages , well educated responses.

 

[Lightscribe]

You see my friend there are people who bend and twist to promote their agenda, which is funny cos I will admit that even so called Muslims are doing the bending and twisting, both you and these extremist forge on and say this is what is Islam is, both overlooking one simple verse, ironic me thinks.

You say you "quote and quote the hate of others, against the world" but all you are quoting is mis-information.

Proper study of the text would show both, you and the extremist the fallacy of your logics.

One verse against a hateful worldview this size? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm

Misinformation? Are they not quoting the correct book, or perhaps not translating it correctly?

Here's the one verse that should be practiced with honest compassion. "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you".

Phenom is having the circumcision discussion.

Proper study? Logic? Show some.

 

[Fazda]

One verse against a hateful worldview this size? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm

Misinformation? Are they not quoting the correct book, or perhaps not translating it correctly?

Here's the one verse that should be practiced with honest compassion. "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you".

Phenom is having the circumcision discussion.

Proper study? Logic? Show some.

Perhaps it is time for you to inform us exactly what YOUR mission is in this whole debacle of mis-information.

What is your particular agenda, if not to promote hatred against a particular sector of society with whom you obviously disagree?

 

[Fazda]

phenom YOU are the racist here, and I will repeat that this form of open hatred against a particular group is totally uncalled for.

Just to remind you, I posted the Wiki explanation of a Bigot for you this morning.

If you are incapable of looking it up, here it is again.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, various mental disorders, or religion.
The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie (bigotry) in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite". Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

 

[Lightscribe]

Perhaps it is time for you to inform us exactly what YOUR mission is in this whole debacle of mis-information.

What is your particular agenda, if not to promote hatred against a particular sector of society with whom you obviously disagree?

I'm simply highlighting the hatred, being shown towards the world, in ideologies, by the soviets and Islam.

Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa also described operation "SIG" (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972, to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States.[58] According to him, KGB chairman Yury Andropov explained him that "a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States." Andropov also told him that "the Islamic world was a waiting petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hatred, grown from the bacterium of Marxist-Leninist thought."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_sponsorship_of_terrorism

I'm specifically pointing out, that Radical Islam, is a soviet idea, for free cannon fodder, using the hate shown in http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm

I then even point out, the way the world feels about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFkkIpj4kHc Read the comments.

Not to hard to understand, is it?

 

[Ronjay]

LOL, this is the most pathetic thread I've read in a long time.

@Lightscribe/Phenom. I've got quite a few Muslim friends and they all know I'm a Christian. They most certainly don't hate me like you bigoted types would like people to believe. When I lost my job a few years ago, they were the ones who helped me get my @rse out of the fire. So your BS posts are nothing more then BS as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Fazda]

I'm simply highlighting the hatred, being shown towards the world, in ideologies, by the soviets and Islam.



I'm specifically pointing out, that Radical Islam, is a soviet idea, for free cannon fodder, using the hate shown in http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm

I then even point out, the way the world feels about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFkkIpj4kHc Read the comments.

Not to hard to understand, is it?

Actually it is hard to understand when you continue to tell Muslims that they don't know what they are talking about, whilst you continue to quote a radical Russian General. It is similar to quoting Mein Kampf in order to prove that all Jews should be annihilated.

You are taking something said by one person and then turning that inti what actually happened. Stop trying to twist history to suit your own skewed agenda.

And please, a You Tube link to explain how the "world" feels about something doesn't hold water either.

 

[Fazda]

OK, phenom, this is going in circles, and you are obviously trolling now.

carry on ranting.

Why the hell this ridiculous thread hasn't been shut down yet is totally beyond me.

I guess the mods are all still on holiday.

 

[Fazda]

I don't care, sounds like nothing other than hot bigoted air to me. I am not interested in your scorn and I have NOT even called you a Muslim(I said Synergy and Fazda), right now, you have actually started me to wonder. ironic, a BS post calling another post BS, through BS. I have no more time today for this utter non-sense

AHA! So you admit to calling me a Muslim when I certainly am not. I simply disagree with your bigoted view of Muslims, that does not make me one!

 

[Lightscribe]

LOL, this is the most pathetic thread I've read in a long time.

@Lightscribe/Phenom. I've got quite a few Muslim friends and they all know I'm a Christian. They most certainly don't hate me like you bigoted types would like people to believe. When I lost my job a few years ago, they were the ones who helped me get my @rse out of the fire. So your BS posts are nothing more then BS as far as I'm concerned.

You seem to be confused.

We are speaking for Muslims, women and children in particular.

We are speaking for Muslims, who are not aware of the true history of soviet/Islamic radicals.

We are speaking for Muslims who love the world and all it's people.

We are speaking for Muslims who are too afraid for their lives, to speak out against the terrible things done in their name.

We want peace with Muslims, but do they want peace with the world?

As the leader of the Coptic Church said, "Laws have to be changed."

As the video I linked to shows, especially in the comments section, the world is at a stage, or tipping point, or turning of the tide, where the war will be in every village, town and city, in the world, against Muslims.

"Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you". has an Islamic equivalent on the page.

Phenom and I did not start this war. We are showing why it happened.