MWEB Abuse Notices Complaint

there own turn around time guidelines should have seen this dealt with within 3 weeks - or at least within 3 weeks of it going to the adjudicator any further particulars should have been sought I made a query to establish that nothing was missing at a 5 week mark and will again at what would have been a full 8 working weeks and a bit at the festive season. The 21st of January will represent 3 months by which stage it is undeniable that ISPA is either not taking the complaint seriously or is stalling. At this juncture it will be necessary to approach ICASA and to discount ISPA. Of course ICASA is likely to similarly be a time taker but the implications for MWEB are more severe. What I find interesting is that MWEB have quietly sort of changed their practice but no where near what is necessary.

ISPA needs to function properly if the Internet as a service is going to develop in SA having Telkom and Vodacom (two very significant network operators) on ISPA - coincidently because Telkom is not an ISPA member I tend deal with Telkom on a in-house complaint and then an ICASA complaint which ALWAYS has seen results. The only exception was when I took up a complaint to the ASA on Telkom calling their ADSL products broadband while explicitly disclaiming minimum service guarantees. Unfortunately an us vs them discourse has remained with respect to the ISPs on one side and Telkom on the other and honestly this is a massive hindrance to things like LLU.

Unfortunately we also need to start seeing businesses that use the Internet as a means of delivering a service take a bigger interest and volunteer some resources and energy and in that respect I think there is a bit of a chicken game at play. I have had very little engagement concerning the Internet Society's SA chapter but what is clear to me at this juncture is that the role of civil society needs to jack up a notch but this requires no strings attached financial assistance and good people with time and resources on hand. There certainly have been instances of some companies stepping up - and often quietly - but there are a lot of businesses dependent on an ecosystem that they aren't contributing to and it would be lovely if they did a bit.

There was a brief bit of a tangential discussion on the law not being well adapted to the Internet the other day (might actually have been yesterday) and I expressed my strong view that the problem is generally found in badly crafted statutes - ECTA being a lot better than most actually - rather than in the underlying ordinary legal principles. One factor I forgot to mention was the effects of preservation lobbying and in the case of things like POPI and the ADSL Regulations (which have been a general abomination although they were useful to get minimum line speed levels from Telkom) that can clearly be seen. This is why I am exceptionally weary of LLU regulations.

Would be surprised about ISPA turnaround. In 2013 I needed to challenge 3 DMCA complaints and ISPA was unable to get a response from the ISP and the complainant. Then I am still stuck with 5 ISPA complaints I lodged of which none have been answered, despite having exceeded their own SLAs. To me ISPA is no more than a membership for ISPs without any interest about the actual internet (remember that ISPA members contributed to ECT act and POPI of which both are absolute garbage and not practical when it comes to internet laws)
 
apart from assuring me that the complaint is receiving attention no real indication on why the recommended turn around times in ISPAs complaint procedure are so far out of bounds.

so now it is a wait until the 21st at which juncture I will withdraw the complaint from ISPA and take the matter up with ICASA
 
it will be with an independent adjudicator - ict lawyer over which ispa has no control - prolly still on holiday...
 
since the 21st of October?

We are approaching 3 months since referral with the unsatisfactory response from MWeb having been provided to ISPA on the 10th October.
Further particulars have not been sought - to the best of my knowledge from either party - since an

At the current pace MWeb would have been sold off before the complaint is finalized.
 
Okay so Monday is the 21st and 3 months since the matter was indicated as having been referred to an adjudicator

Unfortunately a few things have come up (including this damn heat wave) and I won't have the energy to push much for a few weeks. At this juncture the recourse seems to be to refer the complaint to ICASA after ISPA have either failed or refused to deal with MWEB - 3 months being more than a reasonable period of time to progress in an industry that is constantly changing. At this this juncture it appears the complaint will become moot before being addressed which is wholly unsatisfactory

I will therefore write to ISPA on Monday indicating that I wish for the complaint to be withdrawn if it is not proceeded upon by the 4th of February 2014 such that I may proceed to deal with ICASA. Unfortunately I cannot make promises as to how long getting affidavits and what not ready for ICASA will take me but I might be ready to lodge on the 5th February and from there who knows how long because well ICASA is not exactly known for efficiency.

Unfortunately ISPA's inaction has left a very bitter taste in my mouth with the result that I will not in future deal with the organization until their is a material change to suggest that they will actually have some resemblance to their own presented targeted turn around times.
 
Unfortunately ISPA's inaction has left a very bitter taste in my mouth with the result that I will not in future deal with the organization until their is a material change to suggest that they will actually have some resemblance to their own presented targeted turn around times.

Same sentiment on my side as well. It is shocking to see how one-side ISPA reacts - not objective and continuously acting in the favour of the ISPs.
 
Same sentiment on my side as well. It is shocking to see how one-side ISPA reacts - not objective and continuously acting in the favour of the ISPs.

Probably pay rolled by the very isps themselves.
 
Okay so Monday is the 21st and 3 months since the matter was indicated as having been referred to an adjudicator

Unfortunately a few things have come up (including this damn heat wave) and I won't have the energy to push much for a few weeks. At this juncture the recourse seems to be to refer the complaint to ICASA after ISPA have either failed or refused to deal with MWEB - 3 months being more than a reasonable period of time to progress in an industry that is constantly changing. At this this juncture it appears the complaint will become moot before being addressed which is wholly unsatisfactory

I will therefore write to ISPA on Monday indicating that I wish for the complaint to be withdrawn if it is not proceeded upon by the 4th of February 2014 such that I may proceed to deal with ICASA. Unfortunately I cannot make promises as to how long getting affidavits and what not ready for ICASA will take me but I might be ready to lodge on the 5th February and from there who knows how long because well ICASA is not exactly known for efficiency.

Unfortunately ISPA's inaction has left a very bitter taste in my mouth with the result that I will not in future deal with the organization until their is a material change to suggest that they will actually have some resemblance to their own presented targeted turn around times.

Paul

Is there anything we can do to assist?
 
Paul

Is there anything we can do to assist?
Thanks

At this juncture it is a case of getting together my complaint for ICASA to lodge next week. I should have my head wrapped around what is needed in the complaint and have it altogether but there are a few other things on my desk that also needs some attendance and the unpaid work time allocation is largely absorbed by (i) LiPSA, (ii) the Draft Licensing of Businesses Bill and (iii) looking at the ICT Policy Green Paper these days. I am however most certainly not going to abandon this matter unless MWEB actually properly publicly rectify their conduct - they have taken to providing the FUP numbers on this forum but not in their advertising material etc ... And I am aware that the desk is unlikely to clear at all in February ...

I might however need supporting complaints from MWEB customers at the time of the throttling but will advise if that is the case.
 
#updates?
sadly family matters has caught hold of my time - as foreseen February was a bit of a Bedlam month and there has been some overflow into march

If rwenzori is offering to fund a personal assistant more action could be taken ...
 
A rather bizarre comment - beyond being gratuitously nasty
nobody is dependent upon the time frames which I adopt in advancing this complaint, we are now sitting with the step of referring the CCC and if you look at the track record of the CCC time frames can take months and years not weeks

MWEB have started disclosing their thresholds so the heart of the issue is the statement that they will never throttle - no doubt MWEB have attempted to render the complaint moot through remedy which is an outcome which is beneficial for all, arguing on whether their remedy does in fact render the complaint moot is a taxing exercise. It is one for which I receive no remuneration and which is not as important to me as personal matters (that involve money), or LLU (which radically shifts the game) or the CTR spat. Moreover this issue doesn't have the juiciness of the CTR spat and being taxing means that I don't look at it to unwind.
 
Er actually yes, you are being a complete twat :mad:

If you are not happy with Paul's most excellent efforts then you are more than welcome get it done yourself instead of trolling on an online forum. Grow up.

Unfortunately any more extensive reply would involve something of a personal attack, which, though quite justified, would merely earn me a cardio-pulmonary infraction. All I will say is: do not be fooled by screeds of verbiage.

No need for you to be rude now. Just now your post might also be construed as a personal attack. :p

PS. I am still hoping your superhero Paul will let us know if he ever got his degree. Or not, as the case may be.
 
Unfortunately any more extensive reply would involve something of a personal attack, which, though quite justified, would merely earn me a cardio-pulmonary infraction. All I will say is: do not be fooled by screeds of verbiage.

No need for you to be rude now. Just now your post might also be construed as a personal attack. :p

PS. I am still hoping your superhero Paul will let us know if he ever got his degree. Or not, as the case may be.

All those fancy words and still nothing constructive?
 
All those fancy words and still nothing constructive?

What do you wish of me? Mweb is not my fight - it is a fight for those naive enough to have trusted them, to use a polite word.

And why is it that these days anyone voicing a contrary opinion is a "troll" or a "twat"? Try to remember your manners, children.
 
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