MWEB is so funny!

gdiza said:
I'm going to monitor it... if it doesn't pick up, I'll change the account to 512k and get the same speeds!
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You can try, but you will be disappointed. My 512k account is shaped to 13 KBps before 1am.
 
SabreWolfy said:
Shaped accounts are shaped.
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It was never this bad, I could live with it before. A few months ago I could get 80% line speed from 10pm.

What's next? The time for the speed to pick up is shifted to 3am? i seriously think that Mweb is oversubscribed and they have not made the necessary network upgrades to cope.
 
gdiza you really can't expect so much from such a cheap account. Rather move to openweb GOLD or openweb's after hours uncapped at R999 p/m.

You get what you pay for.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
It was never this bad, I could live with it before. A few months ago I could get 80% line speed from 10pm.

What's next? The time for the speed to pick up is shifted to 3am? i seriously think that Mweb is oversubscribed and they have not made the necessary network upgrades to cope.
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MWeb is a commercial entity. It is unlikely that they would continue to shape users so heavily in order to force a few of them onto the "expensive" account and to force the others to move to another ISP. Then MWeb would have a handful of (capped?) users left. Not likely from the company that introduced uncapped accounts. I don't know the specifics of your difficulties with MWeb however.
 
Not likely from the company that introduced uncapped accounts. I don't know the specifics of your difficulties with MWeb however.
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To quote WebAfrica "Unsustainable" ?:confused:
There are always ways around shaping, whether you raise red flags seems to be based on usage / length of 'stressing the network'
 
@Anthropoid: Yes, MWeb will not concern itself if you download a "small" number of GB over an SSL tunnel, occasionally/intermittently, as this would be expected under "normal" usage of a SOHO uncapped, shaped account. They will concern themselves if you constantly download a "large" number of GB over an SSL tunnel, month after month.
 
Pr⊕phet said:
don't be daft. you can't have users going 24/7 at max line speed.
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Exactly. However, many (some?) users (willfully and obstinately?) ignore the "shaped" part of the account and (stubbornly?) insist that the "download as much as you want" clause means that they can queue downloads for the entire month and that they must come down AT line speed.
 
Eish 600gb how do you survive on that pittance :wtf:

Damn MWEB cheapskates
 
Send his home address to the rest of the users who are suffering during the day due to some people just full-on nuking those international pipes ;)
 
I was told I'm getting the 'horrible' speeds because of:

It can range from your modem, to not having filters on all your plug points, Telkom DSLAM, our network, Seacom cable, transit links being cut.
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I laughed... ALOT!
 
SabreWolfy said:
@gdiza: Horrible speeds != 600GB per month :confused:
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No, I think you've missed the bus boet.

I got an Abuse e-mail from MWEB last night and after a few post replies, I decided to remove my SSL connection etc and set my Newsserver settings to normal.
Once I did that, I did a test download (random ep) and got 11KB/s - so then I changed the settings back and got 400KB/s (with SSL etc)

So I'm willing to stop using SSL, but not when the shaping is so bad that it's 11KB/s ±

Oh, the 600GB is the MAX I've done. I got a few PM's last night saying that "they" normally do 900GB!!! so ya!
 
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@gdiza: OK, the "horrible speeds" were in reference to your now-shaped downloads :)
 
SabreWolfy said:
@gdiza: OK, the "horrible speeds" were in reference to your now-shaped downloads :)
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Yeap, and I was expected them to be shaped, I won't pretend I was ignorant enough - but good god man... from 400KB to 11KB? I'd even be happy to accept 100KB/s!!
 
Yeah, it is a fine line between "legitimate" shaping of the service and shaping to such an extent that it could be argued that the service effectively becomes useless. 11KB/s could be considered acceptable for a small file. However, most files downloaded on the shaped protocols are large files. 11KB/s on a 100MB file take just over 2.5 hours; a 500MB file will take 12.5 hours. Is it unacceptable if you get the file in 12 hours?
 
@gdiza

I never did over 360gb, but also never got any issues/mail/warnings etc. The only reason they are shaping so much (imho) is because there are too many 'abusers' doing the unshaped ssl route. Ie port 80/81 which mweb doesn't seem to shape due to other protocols using the same ports.

What I think is happening is that they are having to shape p2p and usenet more and more due to people downloading at full line speed 24/7 or atleast half the time. This is putting heavy strain on their network, so the people who are using the lowest priority protocols are getting shafted... Funnily enough, it could be from the guys using ssl to download exactly the same files...

Bottom line, if you want close on full line speed permanently, go unshaped. If you can't afford it, think about the people who can't afford paid news servers on top of their R539/R899 4mb subscriptions.... I'm just saying...
 
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