MWEB shaping theory

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I recently had some time to check out how my 4mbps uncapped connection behaves during office hours and I think I maybe have found out how MWEB does shaping.

From what I can see they pool all shaped services (webistes, p2p, newshosts) under the same speed limit. This is typically 10kb/s in peak times, 40kb/s off-peak and 150kb/s after midnight. So if I download from Oron, Hotfile and RapidShare at the same time they all share the 10, 40 or 150 kb/s available. No matter how many download segments you have it will never exceed the limit. Open up some torrent downloads and they also share this limited bandwidth.

Is there anyone else that have found this type of behavior on their uncapped MWEB connections? Anything that is not shaped seems to be fine at 440kb/s in my case at all hours of the day.
 
I'm on a 384 uncapped connection and find that even trying to watch a short video on YouTube is a study in frustration. It sits there buffering ever couple of seconds and is almost impossible watch. However the same video viewed on the same line but with another ISP, (OpenWeb), will play almost non-stop without buffering. The same goes for torrents, MWeb = 0.5-6Kb/s, the other ISP = 15-34Kb/s on the same torrent. Something is clearly not right with MWeb at the moment.
 
Rouxenator said:
I recently had some time to check out how my 4mbps uncapped connection behaves during office hours and I think I maybe have found out how MWEB does shaping.

From what I can see they pool all shaped services (webistes, p2p, newshosts) under the same speed limit. This is typically 10kb/s in peak times, 40kb/s off-peak and 150kb/s after midnight. So if I download from Oron, Hotfile and RapidShare at the same time they all share the 10, 40 or 150 kb/s available. No matter how many download segments you have it will never exceed the limit. Open up some torrent downloads and they also share this limited bandwidth.

Is there anyone else that have found this type of behavior on their uncapped MWEB connections? Anything that is not shaped seems to be fine at 440kb/s in my case at all hours of the day.
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This is rather obvious, especially if you use the account regularly, surprised you regard it as a revalation
 
Rouxenator said:
I'll take that as a "Yes, your theory is correct". Thanks.
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HAHAHAH

Rouxenator
MWEB shaping theory

I recently had some time to check out how my 4mbps uncapped connection behaves during office hours and I think I maybe have found out how MWEB does shaping.

From what I can see they pool all shaped services (webistes, p2p, newshosts) under the same speed limit. This is typically 10kb/s in peak times, 40kb/s off-peak and 150kb/s after midnight. So if I download from Oron, Hotfile and RapidShare at the same time they all share the 10, 40 or 150 kb/s available. No matter how many download segments you have it will never exceed the limit. Open up some torrent downloads and they also share this limited bandwidth.

Is there anyone else that have found this type of behavior on their uncapped MWEB connections? Anything that is not shaped seems to be fine at 440kb/s in my case at all hours of the day.
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See, I honestly think that the guy who started the "Openweb uncapped 384k GOLD daily feedback" thing is doing a very good job right now. Let's start a thread like that, and update it every morning and perhaps evening. I think your theory is correct, however, i am on the 384k uncapped package and have been getting speeds well over 10kb on news servers 24/7 before this whole mess of slow speeds started, even now, i am getting over 10kb. It's very erratic right now but i will wait until 1st week in October (Getting tired of saying that) to see if it improves. If not, then I will look at Openweb. Feedback there has been good and the speed tests look good to. Not to sure if that guy is staying on the line 24/7 or not but can always ask him hey :)
 
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Yet another reason why we need an Internet Bill of Rights. Big ISPS are shaping down consumers and selling the extra bandwidth as additional service.

We seriously need to establish benchmark minimum service standards for the whole country, otherwise 1Kg = 120grams.

Shaping is the Scaling of yesteryear. Would you settle for a half loaf of bread for the price of a whole loaf?
 
Rouxenator said:
I recently had some time to check out how my 4mbps uncapped connection behaves during office hours and I think I maybe have found out how MWEB does shaping.

From what I can see they pool all shaped services (webistes, p2p, newshosts) under the same speed limit. This is typically 10kb/s in peak times, 40kb/s off-peak and 150kb/s after midnight. So if I download from Oron, Hotfile and RapidShare at the same time they all share the 10, 40 or 150 kb/s available. No matter how many download segments you have it will never exceed the limit. Open up some torrent downloads and they also share this limited bandwidth.

Is there anyone else that have found this type of behavior on their uncapped MWEB connections? Anything that is not shaped seems to be fine at 440kb/s in my case at all hours of the day.
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I get full speed on during the night over the weekend.. normally. I know sometimes on a Sunday morning you can get full speed on a 4 meg line from Astroweb.. But sadly it does not last too long.. maybe 2 hours.

But yes... I also get a simlar pattern to you..
 
Dang! I bought an account at Oron to download a crap load of stuff and now it takes ages to get it done. Good thing they are not shaping SM/FS ;)
 
Rouxenator said:
I recently had some time to check out how my 4mbps uncapped connection behaves during office hours and I think I maybe have found out how MWEB does shaping.

From what I can see they pool all shaped services (webistes, p2p, newshosts) under the same speed limit. This is typically 10kb/s in peak times, 40kb/s off-peak and 150kb/s after midnight. So if I download from Oron, Hotfile and RapidShare at the same time they all share the 10, 40 or 150 kb/s available. No matter how many download segments you have it will never exceed the limit. Open up some torrent downloads and they also share this limited bandwidth.

Is there anyone else that have found this type of behavior on their uncapped MWEB connections? Anything that is not shaped seems to be fine at 440kb/s in my case at all hours of the day.
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Yup, i'm on the 4mb and that's pretty much spot on.
 
afrodeity said:
Yet another reason why we need an Internet Bill of Rights. Big ISPS are shaping down consumers and selling the extra bandwidth as additional service.

We seriously need to establish benchmark minimum service standards for the whole country, otherwise 1Kg = 120grams.

Shaping is the Scaling of yesteryear. Would you settle for a half loaf of bread for the price of a whole loaf?
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Yeah I agree with you, it's all very well to offer 'uncapped' accounts to the public but what good is an uncapped account if it's shapped to hell? Most users like to download something at some time and to watch the odd streaming video but it becomes impossible if the account is so shaped that all you can do is read web pages! If that's what uncapped ADSL is becoming we may as well go back to dialup internet access. I think ISP's should concentrate more on offering unshapped accounts in different packages than trying to lower the price of poorly performing uncapped accounts.
 
I do all my downloads via Usenet (Astraweb), currently my download speeds are horrific. I get an average of 50kB/s during the day and it peaks @ 150kB/s at night. Usually on weekends I can pull about 45-50GB, this weekend however I only managed 15GB 

However, my HTTP stuff is fine. I can stream a 720p HD video on Youtube without buffering (while my downloads are running @ 50kB/s in the background). Even my software and game updates are running @ full speed. So I don’t really have much to complain about besides the downloads. I watch a lot of videos on Youtube and I do a lot of gaming, both these two things have been good on MWEB.

Let’s hope that things will get better next week after the moves have completed.
 
Rouxenator said:
I recently had some time to check out how my 4mbps uncapped connection behaves during office hours and I think I maybe have found out how MWEB does shaping.

From what I can see they pool all shaped services (webistes, p2p, newshosts) under the same speed limit. This is typically 10kb/s in peak times, 40kb/s off-peak and 150kb/s after midnight. So if I download from Oron, Hotfile and RapidShare at the same time they all share the 10, 40 or 150 kb/s available. No matter how many download segments you have it will never exceed the limit. Open up some torrent downloads and they also share this limited bandwidth.

Is there anyone else that have found this type of behavior on their uncapped MWEB connections? Anything that is not shaped seems to be fine at 440kb/s in my case at all hours of the day.
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During the week on rapidshare and hotfile only.

8 AM – 6 PM: 20Kb/s
6 PM – 11 PM: 80 -100Kb/s
11 PM – 1 AM : 200KB/s
1 AM – 4 AM: 350 -450Kb/s
4 AM – 8 AM : 200 – 300 KB/s

Weekends usually 300Kb/s average all the time.

I have had some hotfile links connecting and running at full speed during work hours. Not sure why they are not shaped by MWEB? But not complaining however.

I leave it to MWEB to manage my download speed for me.

But still i can't complain MWEB gives me 200GB - 300GB on average so I can't complain about the shaping.

MWEB still rocks!!!
 
That is not just for rapidshare and hotfile - it is for everything they see as heavy usage.

For example, between 8AM and 6PM you get 20kb/s - if I download 1 file from rapidshare it comes in at 20kb/s. If I then start a download from Oron it comes in at 10kb/s and the rapidshare also drops to 10kb/s. If I then open torrents everything dies as the P2P traffic consumes the entire 20kb/s available.

So it is pooled shaping.

I think they do it on IP addresses with high usage because like rapidshare only some oron downloads are affected.
 
Rouxenator said:
That is not just for rapidshare and hotfile - it is for everything they see as heavy usage.

For example, between 8AM and 6PM you get 20kb/s - if I download 1 file from rapidshare it comes in at 20kb/s. If I then start a download from Oron it comes in at 10kb/s and the rapidshare also drops to 10kb/s. If I then open torrents everything dies as the P2P traffic consumes the entire 20kb/s available.

So it is pooled shaping.

I think they do it on IP addresses with high usage because like rapidshare only some oron downloads are affected.
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Sorry my post should have included that hotfile and rapidshare is all I use and not the word only :). But it's exactly like you say. Pooled shaping.
 
Yenolo said:
I'm on a 384 uncapped connection and find that even trying to watch a short video on YouTube is a study in frustration. It sits there buffering ever couple of seconds and is almost impossible watch. However the same video viewed on the same line but with another ISP, (OpenWeb), will play almost non-stop without buffering. The same goes for torrents, MWeb = 0.5-6Kb/s, the other ISP = 15-34Kb/s on the same torrent. Something is clearly not right with MWeb at the moment.
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I found the same. Though this is normal for Mweb and has been so for over 6 months.
 
Rouxenator said:
I recently had some time to check out how my 4mbps uncapped connection behaves during office hours and I think I maybe have found out how MWEB does shaping.

From what I can see they pool all shaped services (webistes, p2p, newshosts) under the same speed limit. This is typically 10kb/s in peak times, 40kb/s off-peak and 150kb/s after midnight. So if I download from Oron, Hotfile and RapidShare at the same time they all share the 10, 40 or 150 kb/s available. No matter how many download segments you have it will never exceed the limit. Open up some torrent downloads and they also share this limited bandwidth.

Is there anyone else that have found this type of behavior on their uncapped MWEB connections? Anything that is not shaped seems to be fine at 440kb/s in my case at all hours of the day.
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I noticed the same thing!

this weekend it seems my Torrent downloaded are shaped to EXACTLY 300kB/s...
was the funniest thing to watch, at first i had one download going fast at 300kB/s then i introduced another and the speed dropped to 160kB/s while the seconds one went to 140kB/s... it did this the whole night. jumping from 100kB/s and 200Kb/s to 120kb/s and 180kb/s so i could see its exactly 300 all the time obviously not exactly like it was 192kb/s and 110kb/s but still very strange..

anyone know if its by any change TPB that does this?
 
My Astraweb DL's dropped from 400 to 4 on Sunday afternoon. Still that slow now. ;(
 
afrodeity said:
Yet another reason why we need an Internet Bill of Rights. Big ISPS are shaping down consumers and selling the extra bandwidth as additional service.

We seriously need to establish benchmark minimum service standards for the whole country, otherwise 1Kg = 120grams.

Shaping is the Scaling of yesteryear. Would you settle for a half loaf of bread for the price of a whole loaf?
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We can only dream...
 
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