MyBB Motorcycle Owners Thread

[Pitbull]

In my experience, guys with that kind of attitude on a bike rarely change, and will most likely end up getting drunk on a bike again and flipping it

Not denying it, but that is the reason I rather sold it and made a choice not to get one again till my kids are all grown-up. I don't mind dying, but doing so while I still have kids who depend on me when I could have avoided it is extremely selfish. I'll probably die on a bike too, but once my kids are all grown up

 

[Mortymoose]

When I was eighteen my friend and neighbour died in a car accident with his first car... I still drive a car.

It was an observation from personal experience, I know exactly six people who drank dop heavy and had their livers blow, blood and death, yet here I sit, sucking on a can of Namibia's best, even though I know that come the morn, my liver will be swollen and sore....
Remembering Fanie, is worth it, heck! Tonight I might even take my liver and meself on a bikeride with my butchery manager...

 

[FlexSA]

Ai, do not get people that drink and drive. Put your own life at risk for all I care.
But what about innocent people that might get involved ?

 

[Tickled_Tortise]

It was an observation from personal experience, I know exactly six people who drank dop heavy and had their livers blow, blood and death, yet here I sit, sucking on a can of Namibia's best, even though I know that come the morn, my liver will be swollen and sore....
Remembering Fanie, is worth it, heck! Tonight I might even take my liver and meself on a bikeride with my butchery manager...

Point taken, stick with the Windhoek for tonight, leave the bike riding for the weekend.

 

[copacetic]

Well, I just drove from town to Muizenberg. Must have passed hundreds of cars. Thought about our friend the whole way home, obviously, especially when I passed the point where I'd previously crashed a scooter a couple years back. Glad I didn't have something slightly faster back then, could have been much worse than a cracked knee, and it happens so damned quickly.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Never ridden a bike but I still don't understand how you can happily ride between two lanes of moving cars knowing as you do how badly people drive and how quickly accidents happen and you will definitely come off second best.

The only time you should feel like that is if you are going way to fast to have any influence on the situation.

It’s all within your control and if you ride accordingly the above shouldn’t happen and therefore shouldn’t freak you out.

All about taking responsibility for your own part to play in all these things instead of leading it to fate and blaming everyone else.

Having never ridden it will however make no sense to you because all you think about are the people who have made an accident you witnessed and ignore the hundreds of others who don’t.

 

[SauRoNZA]

It's

whats the ratio though? 259 out of how many cars vs 11 out of how many bikes?

There's now way bikes in city traffic are safer than cars. Not that it matters - one assumed the risk vs the benefit

Did I say anywhere that bikes are safer than cars?

I simply stated that bikes aren’t the things that are unsafe.

People need to simply take some accountability for their own actions in operating motorcycles.

1. Stop blaming everyone else on the road for **** that happens. In some way your action or in action is part of the reason an accident happened.

2. Stop blaming the vehicle your are riding/driving. It’s doesn’t have a mind of its own, it’s not in control. You are.


Rather say that you don’t trust yourself to maintain self control to bike safely and stop this nonsense of blaming the bikes for everything.

Same applies to people who don’t ride moaning about X who rode a bike and got it all wrong. It was the rider in charge of the bike, not the bike in charge of the rider.

Then there is the other problem of people treating bikes like they are toys. We are talking about super car performance here in many cases and yet people consider them and treat them like little 125cc’s.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I have made a conscious choice a few years ago already when I got drunk and flipped my S1000RR doing an Endo.

Realized I'm getting way too cocky and my kids are still small. I will surely get a bike again, but only once my kids are out of the house. Riding is dangerous, not just the other road users but we ourselves too. It's something one has to realize yourself, no one can decide that for you.

See this is what I was looking for.

Someone to just admit they can’t trust themselves to keep the rubber side down.

We are our own worst enemies when it comes to bikes but so few people can acknowledge that.

And only once you do can you be safe on the road. Either by not riding at all because you know you won’t have the discipline, or by enforcing the self discipline and keeping yourself safe.

 

[AfricanTech]

Did Fanie have kids?

Might be a bit silly, I didn't know him well but I'm feeling slightly reticent about riding a lot this summer after hearing the news of his passing.

His was not a spectacular accident, it's a fender bender in essence. Really hits home that such a small misstep could have these kinds of consequences.

My family would be utterly devastated. My dear wife... Jesus.

I'm not sure it's right for me to risk that on their behalf anymore.

2 Teenage daughters

 

[AfricanTech]

I have made a conscious choice a few years ago already when I got drunk and flipped my S1000RR doing an Endo.

Realized I'm getting way too cocky and my kids are still small. I will surely get a bike again, but only once my kids are out of the house. Riding is dangerous, not just the other road users but we ourselves too. It's something one has to realize yourself, no one can decide that for you.

I didn’t flip my F800 but had one narrow squeak too many and decided the same (also have small kids).

I too will get a bike again one day - haven’t sold any if my gear.

 

[Hamster]

Did I say anywhere that bikes are safer than cars?

You got two similar responses so clearly that's what it sounded like you were doing.

 

[themba990]

Did Fanie have kids?

Might be a bit silly, I didn't know him well but I'm feeling slightly reticent about riding a lot this summer after hearing the news of his passing.

His was not a spectacular accident, it's a fender bender in essence. Really hits home that such a small misstep could have these kinds of consequences.

My family would be utterly devastated. My dear wife... Jesus.

I'm not sure it's right for me to risk that on their behalf anymore.

That was not a fender bender. I've side swiped a couple of cars while avoiding froggers on my bike and I've never managed to cause that much damage

 

[SauRoNZA]

You got two similar responses so clearly that's what it sounded like you were doing.

And yet it’s not what I said at all, simply what people read into it for themselves.

All I said was it’s not exactly like cars aren’t dangerous and yet people treat them with such nonchalance and don’t operate them like the heavy machinery that they are simply because it’s the accepted norm.

 

[SauRoNZA]

That was not a fender bender. I've side swiped a couple of cars while avoiding froggers on my bike and I've never managed to cause that much damage

It definitely wasn’t.

Which is why I tried to highlight that as sad as it is and difficult to stomach we need to accept that Fanie was probably also largely in the wrong in this situation and it can’t all be blamed on the car even if he did have right of way.

That right of way is conditional to following the all the rules of the road.

 

[DMNknight]

That right of way is conditional to following the all the rules of the road.

My first lesson on a bike is that right of way only applies after you survive the accident unharmed.

 

[DMNknight]

That was not a fender bender. I've side swiped a couple of cars while avoiding froggers on my bike and I've never managed to cause that much damage

A couple of years back my biology teachers husband was out hang-gliding with my dad over a weekend. He made a small error of judgment turning into the hilltop rather than away. He hit the hillside at such a slow speed.
His aorta had split on impact. Death was instant.

That impact doesn't look huge but there are frailty's in the human body we don't always realise on what a knife edge we live.

 

[CT_Biker]

I have not been on this forum too long, but this is a thread that I have interacted with most often I think.

It's kak that people, both bikers and non-bikers are discussing who was at fault in the wake of Fanie's death. Whether it be him or the cager, the fact is that a dear forumite has passed should be the main paint here. Be it due to his own negligence or not.

The one thing I have learned from riding a bike is responsibility. As a biker you are responsible for your actions, even if you are in the right. A biker cannot lane split at 100km/h per hour in traffic that is barely moving. Cause and effect should be something that every biker thinks of.

 

[DMNknight]

I don't apportion any blame. Either person leaving their house just 1 second later would have averted this completely. Heck, even a 1s delay in acceleration by anyone on those roads that day would have made a difference. Faulty thinking, because everyone did everything they did at the exactly same time they did. (The dangerous what-if game)

Fanie is a good person and an adult. He made his decisions as an adult and knew the risks. That sounds cold but it is reality.
It sucks heartily that there were consequences to those decisions and I wish it were different.

 

[SlinkyMike]

2 Teenage daughters

FFS.

That was not a fender bender. I've side swiped a couple of cars while avoiding froggers on my bike and I've never managed to cause that much damage

Sure, I was obviously being hyperbolic. Purely by virtue of the fact that the accident was fatal, it was not a fender bender.

I was trying to convey that it was such a simple accident. No mechanical failure, no sleeping driver crossing lanes, etc. Was it even a very busy road? From the pics it doesn't look like a highway...

It definitely wasn’t.

Which is why I tried to highlight that as sad as it is and difficult to stomach we need to accept that Fanie was probably also largely in the wrong in this situation and it can’t all be blamed on the car even if he did have right of way.

That right of way is conditional to following the all the rules of the road.

Yea, I hate to have to agree.

 

[martin]

RIP Fanie, you will be sorely missed.