New call termination rates published

So the disputed rates were:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 44c)
2015 - 15c (Asymmetry - 42c)
2016 - 10c (Asymmetry - 40c)
2017 - 0c (Asymmetry - 20c)

And they are now:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 30c)
2015 - 16c (Asymmetry - 22c)
2016 - 12c (Asymmetry - 16c)
2017 - 8c (Asymmetry - 10c)

Congrats to ICASA on killing Cell C.
 
MickeyD said:
So the disputed rates were:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 44c)
2015 - 15c (Asymmetry - 42c)
2016 - 10c (Asymmetry - 40c)
2017 - 0c (Asymmetry - 20c)

And they are now:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 30c)
2015 - 16c (Asymmetry - 22c)
2016 - 12c (Asymmetry - 16c)
2017 - 8c (Asymmetry - 10c)

Congrats to ICASA on killing Cell C.
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Thanks for this list, would be nice if they also included those disputed rates in the article on the home page.
 
MickeyD said:
So the disputed rates were:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 44c)
2015 - 15c (Asymmetry - 42c)
2016 - 10c (Asymmetry - 40c)
2017 - 0c (Asymmetry - 20c)

And they are now:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 30c)
2015 - 16c (Asymmetry - 22c)
2016 - 12c (Asymmetry - 16c)
2017 - 8c (Asymmetry - 10c)

Congrats to ICASA on killing Cell C.
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Not sensible actually all that they are actually doing is fuelling incentive CellC to persist in a bull run approach.

also wasn't 2017 - 20c without asymmetry

I don't see this as any more defensible in court than the what ICASA put forward earlier and it would be in CellC (and others) commercial interests to litigate on the subject and seek preliminary relief extending the 6 months operation in current effect.
 
Paul Hjul said:
Not sensible actually all that they are actually doing is fuelling incentive CellC to persist in a bull run approach.

also wasn't 2017 - 20c without asymmetry

I don't see this as any more defensible in court than the what ICASA put forward earlier and it would be in CellC (and others) commercial interests to litigate on the subject and seek preliminary relief extending the 6 months operation in current effect.
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Got the numbers from the MyBB articles...
 
ah right will look into it at some point

but running the numbers in my head this is not a good outcome for CellC and actually hurts Vodacom and MTN in the long term because the next move from CellC is quite predictable and damaging - especially if the RAN acquisition talks thing is really on the go.
 
Paul Hjul said:
ah right will look into it at some point

but running the numbers in my head this is not a good outcome for CellC and actually hurts Vodacom and MTN in the long term because the next move from CellC is quite predictable and damaging - especially if the RAN acquisition talks thing is really on the go.
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Leaves Cell C with very little choice... (if their predicted litigation fails).
 
well quite but it it also essentially encourages CellC to protract litigation while seeking to ramp up market share
- rather than to invest in the ecosystem
 
MickeyD said:
If their current talks about infrastructure sharing fails, yes, I reckon so.
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surely even if the infrastructure [-]acquisition[/-] sharing talks succeed CellC will simply be on a path towards exiting with as little debt as possible
 
MickeyD said:
So the disputed rates were:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 44c)
2015 - 15c (Asymmetry - 42c)
2016 - 10c (Asymmetry - 40c)
2017 - 0c (Asymmetry - 20c)

And they are now:
2014 - 20c (Asymmetry - 30c)
2015 - 16c (Asymmetry - 22c)
2016 - 12c (Asymmetry - 16c)
2017 - 8c (Asymmetry - 10c)

Congrats to ICASA on killing Cell C.
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It actually looks pretty fair from my point of view, unless I'm missing something?
Although I feel like the 30c should of started in 2015.
 
The fixed call rates from 1 October 2014 to 28 February 2015 will be 12c within the same area code, and 19c between different area codes.
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I thought there would be a scientific methodology behind the pricing (LRIC+). What bozo's network costs 7c to move a call minute between area codes?
 
entrepr said:
I thought there would be a scientific methodology behind the pricing (LRIC+). What bozo's network costs 7c to move a call minute between area codes?
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LRIC+ is hardly a scientific methodology in reality and implementation is such a ball ache that it is far too much to expect it to be done properly.

As I said when ICASA announced that they would use LRIC+ as a methodology: expect litigation
the numbers suggest that LRIC+ as methodology is the excuse that will be used when CellC or TM kick up a fight.
 
Paul Hjul said:
LRIC+ is hardly a scientific methodology in reality and implementation is such a ball ache that it is far too much to expect it to be done properly.

As I said when ICASA announced that they would use LRIC+ as a methodology: expect litigation
the numbers suggest that LRIC+ as methodology is the excuse that will be used when CellC or TM kick up a fight.
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Perhaps. However when calculating the cost of moving a call minute between dialing codes, there is no method that would generate a 7c/minute rate. There are surely top notch service providers who one could outsource that network function to for less (including for redundancy etc).
 
entrepr said:
Perhaps. However when calculating the cost of moving a call minute between dialing codes, there is no method that would generate a 7c/minute rate. There are surely top notch service providers who one could outsource that network function to for less (including for redundancy etc).
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Without knowing which network components ICASA have selected to be included in the calculation makes it difficult for us to speculate.
 
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