News server related queries

[PokerKing]

it isn't down - i am downloading but at an extremely slow speed!!!

 

[LazyLion]

You are looking at if from the wrong perspective. Some guy decided to start his own local NZB site. It's his site, and he is under no obligation to share it with anyone. He decided to share it with people, and thus enabled invites. He then decided that was enough people and closed invites. It's his site, he covers the local bandwidth cost of hosting the site.



Your analogy that the more people that download, the longer things get cached is completely incorrect. The more people that use the servers, the wider the variety of things that get downloaded (Not everyone likes House/RnB/Rock/Metal, some new guy starts using the server and he listens only to blue-grass for example.) So the more people there are, given a constant cache size (which is not an unreasonable assumption given past experience of the local servers) the shorter things are cached.

In summary:
1. No one is stopping you from using news servers, feel free.
2. If you are expecting news servers to be as easy as torrents or any P2P service, you are starting off with the wrong viewpoint - news servers require considerably more user interaction (esp. with PARs, etc)
3. NewsHost is owned by an individual. It's his. He pays for it, and is under no obligation whatsoever to share it.
4. The address for IS is news.is.co.za on port 119 (5 connections allowed)
The address for SAIX is news.saix.net on port 119 (2 connections allowed)
The address for CyberSmart eludes me right now, but it is somewhere on this forum.
5. To learn about news servers (USENET) try this page.
6. To get NZBs try merlins-portal.net or newzleech.com

Very well put! Wish we could put that into the first post!

 

[Beetman]

You are looking at if from the wrong perspective. Some guy decided to start his own local NZB site. It's his site, and he is under no obligation to share it with anyone. He decided to share it with people, and thus enabled invites. He then decided that was enough people and closed invites. It's his site, he covers the local bandwidth cost of hosting the site.



Your analogy that the more people that download, the longer things get cached is completely incorrect. The more people that use the servers, the wider the variety of things that get downloaded (Not everyone likes House/RnB/Rock/Metal, some new guy starts using the server and he listens only to blue-grass for example.) So the more people there are, given a constant cache size (which is not an unreasonable assumption given past experience of the local servers) the shorter things are cached.

In summary:
1. No one is stopping you from using news servers, feel free.
2. If you are expecting news servers to be as easy as torrents or any P2P service, you are starting off with the wrong viewpoint - news servers require considerably more user interaction (esp. with PARs, etc)
3. NewsHost is owned by an individual. It's his. He pays for it, and is under no obligation whatsoever to share it.
4. The address for IS is news.is.co.za on port 119 (5 connections allowed)
The address for SAIX is news.saix.net on port 119 (2 connections allowed)
The address for CyberSmart eludes me right now, but it is somewhere on this forum.
5. To learn about news servers (USENET) try this page.
6. To get NZBs try merlins-portal.net or newzleech.com

Cybersmart newsserver?

Didn't know they have one, can anyone give me more details?

 

[dalmine007]

yeah please give us cybersmart news details, is it it's own news server or does it resolve to saix or is

 

[.Froot.]

yeah please give us cybersmart news details, is it it's own news server or does it resolve to saix or is

AFAIK Cybersmart simply redirects it to news.saix.net......

 

[TheLoot]

CyberSmart uses something like squid02.cybersmart.co.za also port 119.

Whether it redirects to SAIX I don't know, never used it

 

[PokerKing]

my friend uses telkom and his server detail is something with 'sytes' in it.. not sure the full address.(anyone using telkom there is a server - whether is redirects i am not sure?)

 

[air]

Afternoon all, is it just me or is saix news_server incredibly slow at the moment?

cheers
air

edit, as at 18h00, much better, more than likely throtle news server during business hours?

 

[PokerKing]

not only saix, IS is incredibly slow too.. but as people pointed out, it is getting to the end of the month (people onto their local bandwidth now)

 

[LazyLion]

Afternoon all, is it just me or is saix news_server incredibly slow at the moment?

cheers
air

edit, as at 18h00, much better, more than likely throtle news server during business hours?

Yes, the SAIX news servers is throttled during business hours, Monday to Friday and on Public Holidays. It is only opened up after hours and on weekends.

 

[gripen]

I think the recent problems with the international links was or is the issue. Not sure if everything is working again but there was a major outage posted on the SAIX noticeboard - a link from Bellville to Ashburn was down. Probably congestion that made things a bit slower.. Possibly also the end of the month condition as well.

 

[air]

cheers fora ll the replies.

Currently I am downloading from news2.saix.net via 2 threads

"Grabbing article from news2.saix.net (xxxKB left)
---> is there any way one can increase the block size of data that "Grabit" looks at when downloading via a thread? It varies quite considerably, sometime it looks at a block of 400KB, other times only 200KB? Secondly, just before completion of the blocksize, it gets to approx. 5KB and then hesitates for a few seconds, which causes a delay, anyway to limit this delay?

I appreciate your help.

air

 

[d0minar]

newzbin.com

hey dudes,

anyone uses newzbin.com?
plz PM me if you do.

d.

 

[milomak]

if i download off giganews, is that helpful to anyone who uses local?

 

[LazyLion]

if i download off giganews, is that helpful to anyone who uses local?

no, unfortunately not. It does not make much difference. I also grab from Giganews when I can.

 

[milomak]

i thought as much but just wanted to make sure

 

[gripen]

Hmm, things are quiet on this thread lately.. nobody is complaining anymore. So I guess things are working well, as people don't really post equally as much when it works as when it doesn't work!

But really now, how well are the news servers working? I haven't heard much about SAIX but it's working quite well for me. Not sure about IS as I haven't use it much in months. Tried it the other day and it was a bit slow. Does IS do the same shaping thing as SAIX with the peak and off peak hours? I can't remember That would have explained the slowness..

 

[ld13]

Does IS do the same shaping thing as SAIX with the peak and off peak hours?

No. It is always slow. If the news is "new" as news should be, it usually gets cached locally and then downloads quite fast.

 

[gripen]

But then how does the stuff cache if it is always slow? I don't get it At least SAIX has those fast "bursts" in off peak hours..

Sticking with SAIX then

 

[ld13]

But then how does the stuff cache if it is always slow? I don't get it

That is like asking how a bucket becomes full if you put it under a dripping tap or something. It'll become full slowly but surely. But if you and 10 friends get together and decide to each download 1 part of a CNN clip you want, the whole thing gets cached and all of you benefit from the high speed from part 2 onwards. Once it gets downloaded it is (usually) cached. For some time at least. ...