Now we know why Maths and Science are such difficult subjects ..

[boramk]

People, are you taking BORAMK's comments seriously? Not only He is confused but somehow He managed to confuse everyone who bothers with him. Typical and representative of the ANC

Typical. MyBB houses the stupidest hypocrites on the planet. They will shout and cry about how bad the the education is, and how its screwing up our kids and the skilled laobut yet they'll be completly obvlivious to the fact that Bantu education has the done the same, but with far worse education for decades longer.

If you disagree you are labelled pro-ANC. BlackBox is another example of retarded MyBB poster, he clearly cannot read my posts which are celarly against the ANC. But I guess that's what our education has created, a whole lot of kids without a decent education, they obviously cannot read without comprehending. Go back to school BlackBox.

And MegasXLR, this is the last time I'm going to explain it. I cannot fathom how agonising it must be to be as blind as you. Do you accept that Bantu Education created more poverty and cirme? Without proper education, generations of black people were effectivly shut off from the normal life a white person could achieve. If you say that black people today have the same oppurtunities, you really need to open your eyes. If life really was this idealistic, why hasn't it been easy to implement this across the world? I'm sure after being allowed freedom, the governemnt gave the blacks a pot of money and a skilled job in which they could earn a lot of oney to give their children a future. Of fscking wait, they are not skilled arn't they? Why is that? IF children do not have access to education they turn to crime yes? Why are a lot of whites leaving? According to you, its not because of crime. Our inept politicians in governemnt today were brought up in Bantu Education, I'm sure you can complain to me how useless they are but why do you think they are useless?

Now instead of telling me I'm wrong without substantiating, TELL ME why I'm wrong. Tell me and give me reason.
You seem to mistake my notion of Verwoerd being the root of many problems today in South Africa with thinking that I believe that the ANC are not responsible for many problems in South Africa. Of course they are! They give our taxes in useless grants, the pass the most useless and backward bills, they havn't done much in trying to solve crime and only did well for 2010. The ANC have much to blame for not remidying the problems of today. But once has to sit down and think: why are there so many problems in South Africa? Not "oh screw the ANC, and if you don't agree with me you are pro ANC blah blah"

 

[Albereth]

What is so hard to understand

Bad education = slow learners. These slow learners who are in poverty and crime breed more slow learners. Slow learners cannot learn as well, parents don't help with homework, too poor to afford Model C or private schools, need children at home to look after family or earn money at young age = slower learners. Slow learners = drop in education level as government needs to up bell curve. Ergo, the bad education in South Africa can be directly attributed to Verwoerd's bright idea of dumbing down the black populace

But surely then the Indian and Coloured education acts would have the same effect on those groups.

It is also not quite right when you say that blacks had to pay for school and whites didn't. The idea was for the different groups to develop separately - that's what apartheid was about. The taxes raised from white people went to providing education (amongst other things) for the whites and the taxes raised from the blacks went to providing education for the blacks. Yes, the net result was that the inequities in the tax bases meant that a greater quantum was available for funding 'white' schools but the misguided thinking was supposed to be 'fair'.

 

[boramk]

Therefore boramk and his ANC compatriots

MEgasXLR, you seriously have an issue. You can't fscking read so what the point of replying to you?

 

[Nerfherder]

When did Verwoed die? 1966
Now if the Minister knew any maths whatsoever, he would see that 45 years have gone by, so blaming that guy is just illogical. Which brings me to my next point. Africans don't do logic well, and logic is fundamental for Maths.

The damage that guy did will last longer than 40 years... your Boere logic is fail

 

[boramk]

But surely then the Indian and Coloured education acts would have the same effect on those groups.

It is also not quite right when you say that blacks had to pay for school and whites didn't. The idea was for the different groups to develop separately - that's what apartheid was about. The taxes raised from white people went to providing education (amongst other things) for the whites and the taxes raised from the blacks went to providing education for the blacks. Yes, the net result was that the inequities in the tax bases meant that a greater quantum was available for funding 'white' schools but the misguided thinking was supposed to be 'fair'.

Coloureds and indians got better education, with Indians recieving the best. It's so clear to see the legcy of apartheid if you guys open your eyes! Look at these groups and how the laws have affected them, blacks are the poorest, colourds are better off but are still poor, the best off are indians but they are also poor (look at someof these Indian suburbs).

And yes I am right, whites had education for free and it was manditory, it wans't for blacks. Don't be fool to think that money was sent in equally. It wasn't, whites took a huge glut of money from government, the blacks recieved a a tiny portion.

 

[Mila]

I also googled oldest school.

 

[Venomous]

Typical. MyBB houses the stupidest hypocrites on the planet. They will shout and cry about how bad the the education is, and how its screwing up our kids and the skilled laobut yet they'll be completly obvlivious to the fact that Bantu education has the done the same, but with far worse education for decades longer.

If you disagree you are labelled pro-ANC. BlackBox is another example of retarded MyBB poster, he clearly cannot read my posts which are celarly against the ANC. But I guess that's what our education has created, a whole lot of kids without a decent education, they obviously cannot read without comprehending. Go back to school BlackBox.

And MegasXLR, this is the last time I'm going to explain it. I cannot fathom how agonising it must be to be as blind as you. Do you accept that Bantu Education created more poverty and cirme? Without proper education, generations of black people were effectivly shut off from the normal life a white person could achieve. If you say that black people today have the same oppurtunities, you really need to open your eyes. If life really was this idealistic, why hasn't it been easy to implement this across the world? I'm sure after being allowed freedom, the governemnt gave the blacks a pot of money and a skilled job in which they could earn a lot of oney to give their children a future. Of fscking wait, they are not skilled arn't they? Why is that? IF children do not have access to education they turn to crime yes? Why are a lot of whites leaving? According to you, its not because of crime. Our inept politicians in governemnt today were brought up in Bantu Education, I'm sure you can complain to me how useless they are but why do you think they are useless?

Now instead of telling me I'm wrong without substantiating, TELL ME why I'm wrong. Tell me and give me reason.
You seem to mistake my notion of Verwoerd being the root of many problems today in South Africa with thinking that I believe that the ANC are not responsible for many problems in South Africa. Of course they are! They give our taxes in useless grants, the pass the most useless and backward bills, they havn't done much in trying to solve crime and only did well for 2010. The ANC have much to blame for not remidying the problems of today. But once has to sit down and think: why are there so many problems in South Africa? Not "oh screw the ANC, and if you don't agree with me you are pro ANC blah blah"

During what time period were you educated & what version of education did you recieve?





*note - marked are a few typo's noticed at a glance. I did not even look at grammer.

 

[MegasXLR]

MEgasXLR, you seriously have an issue. You can't fscking read so what the point of replying to you?

Based on your posts in this and other threads YOU are 100% correct, the Bantu Education did a huge disservice to you. You still do not grasp the OP and what the MEC said. I simply have to equate your intellect to those of the MEC and Malema based on your comments and posts on their comments about Anglo and Verwoerd, which you defend and twist to suit your agenda.

 

[Venomous]

Coloureds and indians got better education, with Indians recieving the best. It's so clear to see the legcy of apartheid if you guys open your eyes! Look at these groups and how the laws have affected them, blacks are the poorest, colourds are better off but are still poor, the best off are indians but they are also poor (look at someof these Indian suburbs).

And yes I am right, whites had education for free and it was manditory, it wans't for blacks. Don't be fool to think that money was sent in equally. It wasn't, whites took a huge glut of money from government, the blacks recieved a a tiny portion.

It was only compulsory upto standard 7 or 8. The rest was done by choice. Yes the government did fund the schools, but from what I can find out parents still hand to pay for their kids to go to school.

 

[boramk]

During what time period were you educated & what version of education did you recieve?

*note - marked are a few typo's noticed at a glance. I did not even look at grammer.

I recieved my education during during the 90's and this decade and I recieved British education. My results and test scores were good enough to see me through getting accepted for Economics and Political Science at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign, Boston University, and New York University, now I've got to choose between those 3.

Please spare me Grammar Nazi not all of us can be perfect when we type fast. Sigh
Attack the content please.

 

[Venomous]

I recieved my education during during the 90's and this decade and I recieved British education. My results and test scores were good enough to see me through getting accepted for Economics and Political Science at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign, Boston University, and New York University, now I've got to choose between those 3.

Please spare Grammar Nazi not all of us can be perfect when we type fast. Sigh
Attack the content please.

So :wtf: are you attacking things here for, that has sweet stuff all to do with you? Fight for things in the USA - clean your own back yard first.

Edit: How many years have passed since the '94 elections? 20 years plus. That means the matriculants leaving school this years have been educated in the POST-apartheid era.

Looking at the pass rates it does not appear as though a very good job is being done as a general. In today's times there are more & more AA people that are sending their children to previously white schools (some are more colourful than others). Look at private schools - they reflect the rainbow nation very well. In todays times it's reached a point that as a result of the lack of proper education many parents are sending their children to private schools even if it means bread & pap for meals to ensure their children get a good education.

The reality of it is put aside private schools & look at mainstream schools post '94) yes the older generations can protest against the injustice done to them. The younger crowd have been given the same opportunities as the white kids would have received historically. They all write the same final exams. & have all received education that has been paid for by the state & a contribution made by the parents(unless subsidised by the government). The children learn about the same things & all have received the same information to learn & where provided with a teacher to educate them & guide them in gaining this knowledge. If you take time to look around you will see there are many instances of youngsters being found on the streets in their school uniforms, drunk as skunks in the middle of the day. So who's fault is it that the did not receive the education the schools offer? Oh wait it's easier to cry about PRE- '94.
PRE '94 the kids (if boys) would have been taken in by either the police or the school. they would have had to touch their toes & be given 6 really unforgettable, warm ones & their parents called.
So in my opinion this current fiasco is based on the poor quality of education(standards have dropped), lack of respect for parents & other adults ASWELL as a lack of self-respect in these youngsters.

 

[boramk]

It was only compulsory upto standard 7 or 8. The rest was done by choice. Yes the government did fund the schools, but from what I can find out parents still hand to pay for their kids to go to school.

Ok then lets look at what you are saying. If whites and blacks had the choice to send their kids through High School, which group would be less likely to send their kids on? Oh wait, blacks couldn't and whites have the money and the foresight (education) to know that there was an advancement in their children's ives if they did

 

[Flanders]

But surely then the Indian and Coloured education acts would have the same effect on those groups.

This.

And yes I am right, whites had education for free...

Whites had education for free? Damn, I knew my folks were talking porky pies when they always went on about school "fees" and such.

 

[Nothxkbi]

Read right to the end for the jaw-dropping revelation.

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=22091&cat=500

Or cropped to make it more readable ..

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=22093&cat=500

ps. And he's a MEC for Education!? God I give up.

I can't take this anymore...speechless

 

[boramk]

So :wtf: are you attacking things here that for, has sweet stuff all to do with you? Fight for things in the USA - clean your own back yard first.

Mate, you don't even know me. I'm coming back to South Africa after four years, why do you assume my intentions as to leave?
Did you not read my posts thinking that education here is bad? If I can get better education overseas in order to benefit my country I will. WTF have you planned to do do help "clean your backyard?"

 

[boramk]

Whites had education for free? Damn, I knew my folks were talking porky pies when they always went on about school "fees" and such.

They had heavily subsidised education, with whites who cannot afford education were helped by government. Much like how white unemployment was lower back then because the Nats just gave jobs, even useless ones such as checking train tracks, just so a white person could earn money.

I apologize, I think I should have been clearer on this.

 

[Kosmik]

It was only compulsory upto standard 7 or 8. The rest was done by choice. Yes the government did fund the schools, but from what I can find out parents still hand to pay for their kids to go to school.

It was subsidised quite a bit though.

However I'll wade in on this argument. I cannot believe that you can blame today's lack of understanding of mathematics and science on Verwoed or Apartheid. There has been ample time, for the government to ensure that sufficient and qualified teachers have been trained and posted. And please don't bring the argument about parents not being used to education etc. My father was a bricklayer and my mother a teenage bride, both had the lowest education, neither having gotten a matric as far as I'm aware. The both worked too hard to be able to assist greatly with schoolwork and in all honestly, did not comprehend the work itself. I went through school when it became multi-racial in round about '93 or '94 and matriculated with many black, Indian, coloured fellow pupils. Don't insult their achievement in completing matric and going on to tertiary institutions with science and maths. They worked hard for it and were rewarded.

The problem is as it's ever been and that is that Maths and Science are difficult subjects. It is hard to train up people who understand it and can pass on that knowledge to still forming minds. If the report blamed the lack of qualified teachers, I'd full heartedly agree but you cannot blame Verwoed or Apartheid, with the amount of time that has passed. More attention, then and now, should be paid to education, ensuring that we have a educated populace, that can make informed decisions about their lives. Encouragement for teachers to learn Maths and Science, incentives in both benefits and monetary values. The sooner the government understands that if you offer more, you will receive a better response from industry\workforce. Supply and demand does not just pertain to consumables but human resources as well.

 

[MegasXLR]

Coloureds and indians got better education, with Indians recieving the best. It's so clear to see the legcy of apartheid if you guys open your eyes! Look at these groups and how the laws have affected them, blacks are the poorest, colourds are better off but are still poor, the best off are indians but they are also poor (look at someof these Indian suburbs).

And yes I am right, whites had education for free and it was manditory, it wans't for blacks. Don't be fool to think that money was sent in equally. It wasn't, whites took a huge glut of money from government, the blacks recieved a a tiny portion.

Yep it's all got nothing to do with sheer overwhelming numbers. The small tax base then in those years could not be enough for everyone surely. So the cream got the best it seems. The strongest won and remained in charge at the time. There are a tendency by certain groups, and again as recently as a few days ago instructed by Malema, to breed with impunity, "for the sake of the revolution" he said. As someone said, under the same conditions the Indians and Coloured's did better, WHY? Again nothing to do with sheer numbers I presume. As for your stuck record. Time for a change bud, now the tables turned, for 17 years the whites are now the oppressed, the young white youth today that had nothing to do with apartheid find locked doors at every turn they make, they are becoming desperate but all the ANC and the likes of you do is play the blame game. STOP defending these people that rather use the blame game than fix their own Fsuckup's. Stop Fsucking up every other thread with your same old story and agenda.

 

[Albereth]

Coloureds and indians got better education, with Indians recieving the best. It's so clear to see the legcy of apartheid if you guys open your eyes! Look at these groups and how the laws have affected them, blacks are the poorest, colourds are better off but are still poor, the best off are indians but they are also poor (look at someof these Indian suburbs).

And yes I am right, whites had education for free and it was manditory, it wans't for blacks. Don't be fool to think that money was sent in equally. It wasn't, whites took a huge glut of money from government, the blacks recieved a a tiny portion.

Chill pill for you.

I am not sure of this 'free' education of which you speak. I do remember having to pay school fees.

Broad generalisations ahead - coloureds can trace roots back to slavery and Indians to indentured labourers brought in to cut cane. Neither of those starts would give me much hope of finding an education. But they did (not everyone, but enough). I'd say that had more to do with the culture than any magical funding by the regime.

It is said that the truth shall set you free. Substitute 'truth' with 'education' and I think that's close to what you've been saying. Pity that a campaign was waged where the freedom was demanded before the education.

Taking a look at the times involved. You have claimed that Bantu education was brought in in the early 50s - and it was rejected in '76. Two generations worth. Then the ANC lost close on the same. And they've tried their damnedest to carry on with that with the experiments that they have tried. And the latest one of adjusting the scores or dropping the standards is going to go the same way.

Yes - education is key to solving a lot of the ills. And it isn't about whites competing with blacks - it's actually about South Africa competing with the world. Pity the government doesn't see this. They'd rather 'level' the playing field now so none of us will have jobs in the future.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

AFAIK, unemployment for black people were also lower pre 1994

They had heavily subsidised education, with whites who cannot afford education were helped by government. Much like how white unemployment was lower back then because the Nats just gave jobs, even useless ones such as checking train tracks, just so a white person could earn money.

I apologize, I think I should have been clearer on this.