Official Tri-Nations 2010 Thread

Mephisto_Helix said:
Five sleeps to go ! Have been waiting for this Tri-Nations and now it's finally here ..... we're gonna kick ass :D
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+1

Hell we can look forward to some awesome rugby for the next 3 weekends... But the worste part will be that 2 week break just after these first 3 weekends :cry:
 
We'll have a bit of CC to see us through the 2 week break won't we?
 
Springbok team -

15-Zane Kirchner,
14-Jean de Villiers,
13-Jaque Fourie,
12-Wynand Olivier,
11-Bryan Habana,
10-Morne Steyn,
9-Ricky Januarie,
8-Pierre Spies,
7-Francois Louw,
6-Schalk Burger,
5-Victor Matfield,
4-Bakkies Botha,
3-Jannie du Plessis,
2-John Smit,
1-Gurthro Steenkamp.

Reserves:

16-Chiliboy Ralepelle,
17-BJ Botha,
18-Andries Bekker,
19-Danie Rossouw,
20-Ruan Pienaar,
21-Butch James,
22-Gio Aplon.


I have to be dead honest here and say that this team really doesn't inspire much confidence in me ..... it just seems like a shamble, strung-together team for the most part. We're gonna struggle to win, if we even win at all.


15 - I've never like him and probably never will. To me he's just not enough of a fullback to help in the Tri-Nations and WC. I would say that Lambie, Aplon and Steyn should be the only considerations for fullback.

14 - Jean is not as effective on the wing as he is midfield.

12 - Same as with Kirchner, he's a player but not enough of one to excel in the Tri-Nations and WC. What happened to De Jongh?

9 - Yeah, nuff said about this player .... we have at least 3 better scrummies than him.

3 - As much as I like Jannie, he does play hot and cold. If hot, then fine but he tends to start playing crud when he gets frustrated.

16 - Not gonna waste anymore words on Chiliboy.

17 - Even at the Sharks, I never thought that much of BJ ... he has k@k technique and doesn't add much bulk to the front row.
 
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Mephisto_Helix said:
It sounds very much like the Kings Park vs Moses thing here in Durban. You have a small faction saying that the rugby has to happen at the new stadium, blah blah blah and the majority saying no, rugby's home in Kzn is Kings Park.

Does the CTS also distance people from the game like Moses by any chance?
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It makes almost no sense to move rugby to MM, as the Sharks only have a full stadium during a semi or a final. Every time I go to the stadium, it's at 50-75% capacity at most. Imagine how empty MM would look.
 
Zane Kirchner and Ricky Januarie both in the starting line-up? This after Pdivvy states that we are fortunate to have tremendous depth in South African rugby? He's certainly not displaying it...
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
Springbok team -



I have to be dead honest here and say that this team really doesn't inspire much confidence in me ..... it just seems like a shamble, strung-together team for the most part. We're gonna struggle to win, if we even win at all.
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Are we looking at the same team? Seriously - add some value and point out the holes. DJ feels Zane and Ricky are problems. Where are yours, M_H? While I do disagree in part with DJ, at least he has stated his views on the composition.
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
Springbok team -

15-Zane Kirchner,
14-Jean de Villiers,
13-Jaque Fourie,
12-Wynand Olivier,
11-Bryan Habana,
10-Morne Steyn,
9-Ricky Januarie,
8-Pierre Spies,
7-Francois Louw,
6-Schalk Burger,
5-Victor Matfield,
4-Bakkies Botha,
3-Jannie du Plessis,
2-John Smit,
1-Gurthro Steenkamp.

Reserves:

16-Chiliboy Ralepelle,
17-BJ Botha,
18-Andries Bekker,
19-Danie Rossouw,
20-Ruan Pienaar,
21-Butch James,
22-Gio Aplon.


I have to be dead honest here and say that this team really doesn't inspire much confidence in me ..... it just seems like a shamble, strung-together team for the most part. We're gonna struggle to win, if we even win at all.
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Can you maybe point out who you feel are the weaklinks in the team? And with whom you would replace them?

DJ... said:
Zane Kirchner and Ricky Januarie both in the starting line-up? This after Pdivvy states that we are fortunate to have tremendous depth in South African rugby? He's certainly not displaying it...
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Not defending one of them but who would you replace them with?

Januarie has surprised me although he needs to be able to keep up the pace for 80 minutes not just 50 or 40.
Kirchner is not terrible, yes yes his mistakes were over-amplified because the 2 or 3 that he made in the last 2 tests all lead to points being scored against us. He isn't the best but atleast he isn't the worste either.
 
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I've been out of the loop for a while (being out of SA) but why is Januarie starting? is Fourie injured :confused:
 
Bizkit87 said:
I've been out of the loop for a while (being out of SA) but why is Januarie starting? is Fourie injured :confused:
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Yes out of the tri-nations :( Hand injury...

The operated/are going to operate on him so he can be 100% for the RWC next year :D
 
Januarie is too slow in my opinion. I'd prefer to play Ruan at scrummie. And as much as I don't despise Kirchner in any way, I just don't see him as solid enough at the back. Aplon didn't play badly at fullback and I think he should be given the chance. However my obvious choices are not in the actual squad in the first place though in Frans Steyn, the predigious Patty Lambie or even Stefan Terblanche. Yes you can tell where my affiliations lie, but don't knock them just because of that - they are talented. Now I know Lambie's supposedly too young and Stefan's supposedly too old, however I disagree with both of these arguments. Selection should be based on performance.

I will however concede that with the WC approaching, this is the right time to experiment a bit with the squad, particularly combinations and positions...
 
Devill said:
Yes out of the tri-nations :( Hand injury...
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Thought it was shoulder surgery he was having? I heard elective shoulder surgery? Sorry, can't google right now - internet is playing up...
 
DJ... said:
Thought it was shoulder surgery he was having? I heard elective shoulder surgery? Sorry, can't google right now - internet is playing up...
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You are correct, I was thinking of his hand injury from last year:o
 
DJ... said:
Januarie is too slow in my opinion. I'd prefer to play Ruan at scrummie. And as much as I don't despise Kirchner in any way, I just don't see him as solid enough at the back. Aplon didn't play badly at fullback and I think he should be given the chance. However my obvious choices are not in the actual squad in the first place though in Frans Steyn, the predigious Patty Lambie or even Stefan Terblanche. Yes you can tell where my affiliations lie, but don't knock them just because of that - they are talented. Now I know Lambie's supposedly too young and Stefan's supposedly too old, however I disagree with both of these arguments. Selection should be based on performance.

I will however concede that with the WC approaching, this is the right time to experiment a bit with the squad, particularly combinations and positions...
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If you base it on performance then do not be so selective of which performance you choose to see :p

Lambe kicked Terblanche from the nr 15 spot thus Lambe > Terblanche... Now in the S14 Kirschner might not have won games single handedly but he was the leading full back because he was steady and never had a bad game :)

Did you see lambe perform well in the junior boks? Then did you also see his poor performance in the same tournament?

The problem is do you want a french team (one day great one day poor) to try and win the WC or the steady team (boks)?
 
Wow, talk about a few loaded questions there, hey devill? My feeling is that Kirchner is not a fullback who will see us through to a Tri-Nations win. Nor a World Cup win. I hope to be proven wrong and that he steps up to the plate and delivers. I sincerely do...
 
Doesn't seem to matter who we pick these days, we still play well.
It seems we have 3 or more guys for every position in the side.

Looking forward to tmrw. :)
 
DJ... said:
Wow, talk about a few loaded questions there, hey devill? My feeling is that Kirchner is not a fullback who will see us through to a Tri-Nations win. Nor a World Cup win. I hope to be proven wrong and that he steps up to the plate and delivers. I sincerely do...
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(can't believe i'm saying this as a bulls supporter :p)

Why aren't they playing Joe Peterson as fullback?
 
DJ... said:
Wow, talk about a few loaded questions there, hey devill? My feeling is that Kirchner is not a fullback who will see us through to a Tri-Nations win. Nor a World Cup win. I hope to be proven wrong and that he steps up to the plate and delivers. I sincerely do...
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Lol, sorry if it sounded a bit harsh but to not mention Petersen yet you feel terblanche should get a chance....

I do agree on the great promise Lambe is showing and I actually hoped that he would at least be taken with on tour. Aplon I also agree showed that he, if nothing else, deserved another chance as he looks to be able to grow in the fullback position.

I agree with Pdivvy that the guys that did not play in the S14 do look a bit "slow". I still believe Steyn can be one of the best fullbacks as a) He has a monster boot on him and thus 90% of the kicking battles will be won by him vs anyone else and b) he can tackle and he does bring a bit of an Xfactor whe we are on attack.
 
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