Ongoing Palestinian terror attacks against Israel.

AdrianH said:
I watched a video last month. The narrator made a very profound point.

He said and I paraphrase "If Palestine puts down their arms, there will be peace in the region as Israel will also put down their arms. If Israel puts down their arms, there will be bloodshed as Palestine will attack Israel with everything they have."
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What is your definition of arms,

Palestinian arms = fireworks

Iareali arms = weapons of mass destruction

There is a huge difference when it comes to arms on Palestinian side.

The narrator is without a doubt an Israeli, zionist sympathiser
 
3Gee said:
What is your definition of arms,

Palestinian arms = fireworks

Iareali arms = weapons of mass destruction

There is a huge difference when it comes to arms on Palestinian side.

The narrator is without a doubt an Israeli, zionist sympathiser
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When will that idiots have weapons with more capability to destroy Israel if Israel slack in their security and control? You just do not get it do you. Even if Israel throw open all borders and let the palestinian have free travel, they will see it as free reign to attack jews at will. I will never end no matter what you believe. But i am sure you will rejoice then wont you?
 
marine1 said:
Peace lol did you watch the video I posted about the Arab woman and her kid in an Israeli hospital?
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Xarog said:
The more likely explanation is that their lives have been made a living hell to the point where they just don't care if they die or not anymore.

You can't say they don't want peace when them doing nothing is causing continuing suffering for them and the Israelis are turning a blind eye to that suffering. When the suffering stops, then we can judge whether or not the Palestinians truly want peace or not.
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Realy. I leave this to you again and perhaps this time round you see some sense how futile your argument is.

https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs/videos/10152538574682689/
 
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Realy. I leave this to you again and perhaps this time round you see some sense how futile your argument is.

https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs/videos/10152538574682689/
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My argument is not futile at all. You can't judge an entire people by one testimony. You can't expect them to have the exact same reaction after the facts on the ground change substantially.

By the same token, it's not reasonable or fair to judge the Israelis in general by the views of their rabid racists, either. Both sides has them, both sides have people who think conflict is inevitable, both sides have people who believe ALL the land belongs to them, and both sides have people willing to die to prove it.
 
Xarog said:
My argument is not futile at all. You can't judge an entire people by one testimony. You can't expect them to have the exact same reaction after the facts on the ground change substantially.

By the same token, it's not reasonable or fair to judge the Israelis in general by the views of their rabid racists, either. Both sides has them, both sides have people who think conflict is inevitable, both sides have people who believe ALL the land belongs to them, and both sides have people willing to die to prove it.
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Sure. Whatever you say. Israel realised it will never work. from Wiki just a small example.

Economic output in the Gaza Strip declined by about one-third between 1992 and 1996. This downturn was attributed to Israeli closure policies and, to a lesser extent, corruption and mismanagement by Yasser Arafat. Economic development has been hindered by Israel refusing to allow the operation of a sea harbour. A harbour was planned to be built in Gaza City with help from France and The Netherlands, but the project was bombed by Israel in 2001. Israel said that the reason for bombing was that Israeli settlements were being shot at from the construction site at the harbour.[84][85] As a result, international transports (both trade and aid) had to go through Israel, which was hindered by the imposition of generalized border closures. These also disrupted previously established labor and commodity market relationships between Israel and the Strip. A serious negative social effect of this downturn was the emergence of high unemployment.


Backyard industry
Israel's use of comprehensive closures decreased over the next few years. In 1998, Israel implemented new policies to ease security procedures and allow somewhat freer movement of Gazan goods and labor into Israel. These changes led to three years of economic recovery in the Gaza Strip, disrupted by the outbreak of the al-Aqsa Intifada in the last quarter of 2000. Before the second Palestinian uprising in September 2000, around 25,000 workers from the Gaza Strip (about 2% of the population) worked in Israel on daily basis.[86]

The Second Intifada led to a steep decline in the economy of Gaza, which was heavily reliant upon external markets. Israel—which had begun its occupation by helping Gazans to plant approximately 618,000 trees in 1968, and to improve seed selection—over the first 3-year period of the second intifada, destroyed 10 percent of Gazan agricultural land, and uprooted 226,000 trees.[87] The population became largely dependent on humanitarian assistance, primarily from UN agencies.[88]
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Oh, less not forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
 
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Xarog said:
Right, and do you remember what caused the outbreak of the 2nd Intifada?
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Sure. Thus we all no that the sensitivities around the issues and considering the video about the woman that there will never be peace ever between israel and the palestinians. Just accept that and realise the futility of your "debate" or "solution"!
 
Xarog said:
The Palestinian Arabs. A very small portion of the Palestinian Arabs, btw.
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Really? How many support the attacks promising them virgins for their acts? Stop being apologetic towards criminals.
 
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Sure. Thus we all no that the sensitivities around the issues and considering the video about the woman that there will never be peace ever between israel and the palestinians. Just accept that and realise the futility of your "debate" or "solution"!
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When Israel is prepared to make real concessions that are neccessarily for an independent Palestinian state to exist, then there will be a reasonable prospect for peace. And I wouldn't put it past people to be able to agree to a power-sharing deal with the Temple Mount/Al Asqa Mosque.

The same thing happened to South Africa. The Apartheid government fought until it was exhausted and then started negotiating with the "terrorists". The result was a democracy, even if the ANC have been busily corrupting it ever since.

Right now a two-state solution is still technically possible. But soon it won't be. Eventually the one-state solution will force everyone's hand. And I'm betting the majority will choose life over stupidity.

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Really? How many support the attacks promising them virgins for their acts? Stop being apologetic towards criminals.
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:rolleyes:

I'm not being apologetic towards criminals by showing that Marine1's sweeping statements about Arabs are racist.
 
Xarog said:
When Israel is prepared to make real concessions that are neccessarily for an independent Palestinian state to exist, then there will be a reasonable prospect for peace. And I wouldn't put it past people to be able to agree to a power-sharing deal with the Temple Mount/Al Asqa Mosque.

The same thing happened to South Africa. The Apartheid government fought until it was exhausted and then started negotiating with the "terrorists". The result was a democracy, even if the ANC have been busily corrupting it ever since.

Right now a two-state solution is still technically possible. But soon it won't be. Eventually the one-state solution will force everyone's hand. And I'm betting the majority will choose life over stupidity.


:rolleyes:

I'm not being apologetic towards criminals by showing that Marine1's sweeping statements about Arabs are racist.
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I have shown you that concessions with the palestinians is pointless as they will still continue with their kark to reach their ultimate goal ie the destruction of Israel.

What percentage of Arabs in your eyes do not support the destruction of Israel and use the palestinians to get at Israel to achieve their end goal?
 
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I have shown you that concessions with the palestinians is pointless as they will still continue with their kark to reach their ultimate goal ie the destruction of Israel.

What percentage of Arabs in your eyes do not support the destruction of Israel and use the palestinians to get at Israel to achieve their end goal?
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You realise that there are "Palestinians" with Israeli citizenship, right? And that they're called Israeli Arabs, right?

The vast majority of them are tax-paying, law-abiding people. The only difference between them and the people living in the Occupied Territories is their legal status. Most of the Israeli Arabs have Palestinian relatives and vice versa. The people living in the Occupied Territories, once they're finally able to excercise their right to self-determination, will settle down and try to get on with life.

All you have shown is that people with nothing to lose will act like they have nothing to lose. Once they have something to lose, they'll think twice before throwing it a way.
 
The Arabs want everything and are prepared to give nothing.
There are no negotiations with them.
That's the problem. Even abbas admitted he rejected peace
But hey the usual crowd here can keep speaking crap and spreading lies I mean who cares about facts and truths
 
marine1 said:
Prove it. You are lying again
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Innocent until proven guilty..? Take the people involved in these incidents as a proportion of the population of the West Bank and Gaza, what percentage do you get?
 
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