Ongoing Palestinian terror attacks against Israel.

Pitbull said:
Give me one example of a land grab that was not post an attack on Israel.
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Israel has issued tenders for the construction of nearly 1,200 housing units in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, defying US and Palestinian opposition to expansion of Jewish settlements three days before the scheduled start of peace talks.


“The Israeli government is working to reduce the cost of living in all parts of Israel,” Uri Ariel, housing minister and a member of the pro-settler, extreme rightwing Jewish Home party, was quoted by Israel’s Ynet news agency as saying. “No country receives orders about where it can and cannot build from other countries.”

Mr Netanyahu’s rightwing coalition government has rejected calls by the international community and the Palestinians to freeze settlement construction, the issue that caused the last round of peace talks in 2010 to collapse. The EU’s publication of fresh restrictions banning funding for Israeli entities behind the Green Line angered Mr Netanyahu’s government, which accused Brussels of interference in its affairs before negotiations with the Palestinians.
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7f05fbe0-0280-11e3-a9e2-00144feab7de.html#axzz3ojdyTeTg

Straight from the horses mouth. Settlements are all to do with land grabs. There is no recognition at all that it is not their land. To the contrary, its is seen as being a denial of their rights.
 
Pitbull said:
Give me one example of a land grab that was not post an attack on Israel.
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That they refuse to seize settlement building when talking peace is evidence enough.
As i said, do you make up this as you go along?
 
daveza said:
Who is this 'they' that doesn't want peace ?

Palestinian children don't want peace ?

Palestinian ordinary hard-working families don't want peace ?

Almost everyone wants peace - it's just a minority of militant extremists that don't want peace.
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Like that 14 year old who went on a stabbing spree?
Like the 15 year old who said he is happy to see dead Jews?
 
Cray said:
So we should judge the whole population by the actions of the few?
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Firstly, I think they attitude/actions of the youth are very telling of the culture in which they are being brought up.
Secondly, the few?
 
Pitbull said:
Give me one example of a land grab that was not post an attack on Israel.
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Housing minister sees 50% more settlers in West Bank by 2019

Uri Ariel says talks on Palestinian statehood are in their "dying throes" and predicts spiraling of Jewish settler population.

During the nine months of failed peacemaking, Ariel published tenders for settlement construction which were cited by the United States as having contributed to the impasse by convincing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was not serious about reaching an accord.
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http://www.jpost.com/National-News/...ent-more-settlers-in-West-Bank-by-2019-352501
 
imranpanji said:
That they refuse to seize settlement building when talking peace is evidence enough.
As i said, do you make up this as you go along?
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So you quote a source for tenders that was put out 3 days after peace talks were initiated. Please tell the truth and what happened to the lead up of those talks. The date the tenders were sent out and when the land grabs took place is not the same. You're being dishonest here because it serves your view point. What happened prior to the actual land grab to the land you're referring too for which these tenders went out 3 days after peace talks started?

Let me say this again. That piece you're quoting it not about when that land was taken is it? :p

Come now, play nice.
 
eehellfire said:
Firstly, I think they attitude/actions of the youth are very telling of the culture in which they are being brought up.
Secondly, the few?
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You are judging an entire population group based on the actions of a few extremists and children most likely brainwashed. You mentioned two children out of a population of 4.5 million Palestinians and that is your proof that the all the children in Gaza/West Bank don't want peace..?
 
Pitbull said:
Again...

This is land they already have.
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It's not their land, they are an occupying force which means they have no right to move their own population in. If Israel acted like any normal country that wanted land they would annex it along with all the inhabitants. They haven't done this because they don't want to take on the people living their currently so they use the illegal settlements to push more and more without changing the status of the territory.
 
You guys do remember that you have had this same discussion about seventy bajillion times before right?
It's Friday. Go watch some cat GIFs rather, or even better go outside.
 
Cray said:
It's not their land, they are an occupying force which means they have no right to move their own population in. If Israel acted like any normal country that wanted land they would annex it along with all the inhabitants. They haven't done this because they don't want to take on the people living their currently so they use the illegal settlements to push more and more without changing the status of the territory.
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I don't dispute this at all. Imran and myself are debating the land grabs. Valid or not and when they occur.
 
Pitbull said:
Again...

This is land they already have. Show us when that land was taken and what lead to those lands being taken.
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As I said, it is annexation. I think you are being disingenuous, as this land forms part of the agreement for peace. When you deliberately endanger the peace process by announcing building tenders 3 days before peace talks, it is proof that you are not interested in peace

There is no proof that would be adequate for you, as even the US government has chided them for it.
 
Pitbull said:
Again...

This is land they already have. Show us when that land was taken and what lead to those lands being taken.
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I don't have to show you anything. You made claims, and your false claims are being called out....and so you are now changing the direction of the argument.

Israel will build whether there is an attack or not. That's what you wanted me to prove. And I have adequately done that using a simple Google search
 
Cray said:
You are judging an entire population group based on the actions of a few extremists and children most likely brainwashed. You mentioned two children out of a population of 4.5 million Palestinians and that is your proof that the all the children in Gaza/West Bank don't want peace..?
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See my reply to DaveZA
 
imranpanji said:
As I said, it is annexation. I think you are being disingenuous, as this land forms part of the agreement for peace. When you deliberately endanger the peace process by announcing building tenders 3 days before peace talks, it is proof that you are not interested in peace

There is no proof that would be adequate for you, as even the US government has chided them for it.
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Again imranpanji,

I'm not here to argue the merits of it being correct or not. I made a claim that land grabs happen as retaliation for attacks on Israel. You said I make these things up (which I'm not and you know it). I asked you to prove to me a land grab that happened and there was no prior attack to which the land grab was a punishment. You then link me tenders to build in already claimed land to try and back up your claim :confused: Be honest in here, I have no allegiance with any side. I do however feel that Israel has the right to protect itself and if provoked should use any means necessary to do it. If that means taking land from the West Bank then so be it. You know 100% well that the land grabs are only done after attacks on Israel, you however make a conscious decision to ignore and as it doesn't fit your view or agenda.

That's dishonest mate.
 
imranpanji said:
I don't have to show you anything. You made claims, and your false claims are being called out....and so you are now changing the direction of the argument.

Israel will build whether there is an attack or not. That's what you wanted me to prove. And I have adequately done that using a simple Google search
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Yes and they can build there if they want. They already claimed the land. Why not build there? Palestine lost the land due to the attacks on Israel. If you don't do your home work your play station is taken away. Same thing. Only difference is, my kids listen and that will only happen once. They won't keep on pushing me in the hope that I'll give in. They know I won't so they learn from their mistakes. Palestinians should do the same and they won't lose more land.
 
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