Online piracy

Garyvdh said:
um no. That's not what I said. You still having trouble with the English?:wtf:

I said that your opinion is no more valid despite the amount of back-slapping that you and your other shills give each other. :rolleyes:
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I assure you I am not a shill. (Do the "mafiaa" even have representation in SA?)
I do however have an opinion.
MY opinion happens to differ from yours. Instead of constructively voicing your own opinion, you choose to rather attempt to put me down.

How terribly ironic — and disappointing — it will be if we find that even as technology has made it possible for more people than ever before to express themselves freely, many don’t say anything worth hearing.
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JoSorc said:
I don't follow the argument here. You don't own the movie, you own the right to watch the movie on your PVR as long as you are paying Multichoice. If you stop paying them, you don't have access to your PVR.
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My argument is simple, but lets clarify.

I subscribe to DSTV to watch 2 of their fantastic channels and record a 3rd on my PVR device. <--- we agree that there's nothing wrong here.

If I choose not to use the PVR device and instead record to my LG timeshift TV, is this ok? (seeing as these tv's are not outlawed I'm assuming it is).

But in reality, I don't own a LG timeshift, so instead I'm using a el cheapo dvd recorder I bought from hifi corp... is this still ok?

If we agree that all of the above are ok, then what we're really saying is I have the right to view a movie that is being broadcasted by DSTV, regardless of the mechanism I use to record and defer viewing of said movie, because i have a right to the content?
 
sin_x said:
I assure you I am not a shill. (Do the "mafiaa" even have representation in SA?)
I do however have an opinion.
MY opinion happens to differ from yours. Instead of constructively voicing your own opinion, you choose to rather attempt to put me down.
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Oh, I am sure the MAFIAA have representation here... probably even that bunch of shysters whose web page you posted up here yesterday. And not least the heroes from SAFACT and BSA. :D

sure you have an opinion. It's not your fault that it is an indefensible one for a dying cause. :D

But keep at it... there's nothing like gung-ho to keep you going when all else is lost! ;)
 
I think that piracy and the ideas behind it is acting like a counter balance to the ideas of big companies like the recording industry. If either of these sides become dominant there is possibility for disaster.

If for instance the record companies get their way completely imagine what kind of world we would live in. No privacy, being monitored, draconian laws etc. And the same for the pirates if they rule then there would be no money to be made and then the economy starts to suffer.

So in the end we should recognize piracy and what it stands for as the yang to the capatalist's jing...
 
sin_x said:
Yes you can, but it would be illegal.
You would only be licensed to watch the copy that you obtained via your licensed dstv medium.
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When I buy a DVD, i'm not buying a physical disc, I'm buying a license to view the content of that disc.
 
JustinB said:
My argument is simple, but lets clarify.

I subscribe to DSTV to watch 2 of their fantastic channels and record a 3rd on my PVR device. <--- we agree that there's nothing wrong here.

If I choose not to use the PVR device and instead record to my LG timeshift TV, is this ok? (seeing as these tv's are not outlawed I'm assuming it is).

But in reality, I don't own a LG timeshift, so instead I'm using a el cheapo dvd recorder I bought from hifi corp... is this still ok?

If we agree that all of the above are ok, then what we're really saying is I have the right to view a movie that is being broadcasted by DSTV, regardless of the mechanism I use to record and defer viewing of said movie, because i have a right to the content?
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Sure, you would have the right to do that. You paid DSTV for the right to do it. It is, however, not right for you to then make that DVD copy available on the internet for everyone else to download.
 
JustinB said:
When I buy a DVD, i'm not buying a physical disc, I'm buying a license to view the content of that disc.
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exactly!
Just like your dstv subscription gives you license to view the content of your PVR.
 
sin_x said:
Sure, you would have the right to do that. You paid DSTV for the right to do it. It is, however, not right for you to then make that DVD copy available on the internet for everyone else to download.
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So you're saying copying something for my personal use is ok, but distributing it is wrong?
 
oober said:
I think that piracy and the ideas behind it is acting like a counter balance to the ideas of big companies like the recording industry. If either of these sides become dominant there is possibility for disaster.

If for instance the record companies get their way completely imagine what kind of world we would live in. No privacy, being monitored, draconian laws etc. And the same for the pirates if they rule then there would be no money to be made and then the economy starts to suffer.

So in the end we should recognize piracy and what it stands for as the yang to the capatalist's jing...
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Yes, it would be chaos. So you then have 2 choices. You pirate to teach them a lesson, or you take the moral high ground, and refuse to purchase from industry players that overprice, and insist on using outdated distribution methods.
 
JustinB said:
My argument is simple, but lets clarify.

I subscribe to DSTV to watch 2 of their fantastic channels and record a 3rd on my PVR device. <--- we agree that there's nothing wrong here.

If I choose not to use the PVR device and instead record to my LG timeshift TV, is this ok? (seeing as these tv's are not outlawed I'm assuming it is).

But in reality, I don't own a LG timeshift, so instead I'm using a el cheapo dvd recorder I bought from hifi corp... is this still ok?

If we agree that all of the above are ok, then what we're really saying is I have the right to view a movie that is being broadcasted by DSTV, regardless of the mechanism I use to record and defer viewing of said movie, because i have a right to the content?
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Justin. You only have access to the PVR whilst you're paying for it! If you stop paying your DSTV account and it gets suspended, you DO NOT have access to recordings on your PVR.
 
JustinB said:
So you're saying copying something for my personal use is ok, but distributing it is wrong?
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It is ok to copy for your own use on PVR, because you paid for a license to do that.
Distributing it is wrong.
 
JoSorc said:
Justin. You only have access to the PVR whilst you're paying for it! If you stop paying your DSTV account and it gets suspended, you DO NOT have access to recordings on your PVR.
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I'm not cancelling my DSTV, I just wanna know if its ok for me to download the blu-rays of all the movies broadcasted on DSTV.
 
sin_x said:
Yes, it would be chaos. So you then have 2 choices. You pirate to teach them a lesson, or you take the moral high ground, and refuse to purchase from industry players that overprice, and insist on using outdated distribution methods.
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Option 3 is nicer - take it, use it, and pay what you feel its worth.
 
Garyvdh said:
um, that is what the copyright act says. That much is pretty clearly black and white.
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Err, black and white?
A few posts back you stated that the law was unclear, and that it all depended on the court's interpretation of "importing for personal use".
Is downloading the same as importing?
 
Juice said:
He stole that from me. I'm the Intellectual Property holder of the concept. I'll sue! I swear!

Juice
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You were clearly asking for it.
How dare you restrict my freeedomz!!$E
 
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