Online piracy

Thanks for that awesome advice, do you mind if i download the whole album first to check if its only the 3 that I like?

I don't mind what you download. I am not the internet police.
I may not agree with your justification though.

If you really believe that you will honour your moral obligation to reward the producer, then you are 1 in a million. Well done.
If you want to try before you buy, many online retailers allow the option of streaming songs first. Or just listen to the radio.
 
Thanks for that awesome advice, do you mind if i download the whole album first to check if its only the 3 that I like?

This is where I thought that idea of being able to 'stream the music first to listen to it once or twice and see if you like the song' was a good idea. That way you know whether or not it is worth it to download.
 
So then go buy only those 3 songs that you want to listen to.

unfortunately he is not guaranteed to be able to find just those three songs online available for purchase at a reasonable price with no restrictions. If we were then many more people would choose that option.
 
There is also the argument about what is best for the economy. Would it be better if companies did not pirate and then possibly did not exist at all, or is the economic gain enough to offset the software sale's loss? This is just one of the "real" questions behind piracy, but often these kind of questions are also the most difficult to answer.
 
Gary

It was merely a scenario that I was using to try unpack why some people find it so morally offensive.

I've bought many movies, series, games and have been bitterly disappointed by trailors that mislead, hype from adverts etc. I understand first hand the feeling of being ripped off. What I don't understand is the very clear distinction of good vs. bad here.

I do not think it is evil for me to "try before I buy" if I honour the moral decision to actually reward the copyright holder should i really enjoy it. Even Verimark etc have satisfaction guarantees that say "... bring it back within 7 days if you're not satisfied". But when it comes to music, movies, games etc, there's like 1 out of 10 that are actually good, and we're expected to eat the rest of the proverbial we get shovelled.

Ja, you are right. I can full agree with that as well. And I think you would be perfectly within your rights.
 
Gary

It was merely a scenario that I was using to try unpack why some people find it so morally offensive.

I've bought many movies, series, games and have been bitterly disappointed by trailors that mislead, hype from adverts etc. I understand first hand the feeling of being ripped off. What I don't understand is the very clear distinction of good vs. bad here.

I do not think it is evil for me to "try before I buy" if I honour the moral decision to actually reward the copyright holder should i really enjoy it. Even Verimark etc have satisfaction guarantees that say "... bring it back within 7 days if you're not satisfied". But when it comes to music, movies, games etc, there's like 1 out of 10 that are actually good, and we're expected to eat the rest of the proverbial we get shovelled.

WTF? Don't tell me you don't bother to read reviews etc before you download a game or movie?
 
OT, this kinda reminds me of that episode of south park where they try get a refund from mel gibson after watching the passion...
 
WTF? Don't tell me you don't bother to read reviews etc before you download a game or movie?

When I was younger, no i didn't (the internet was in its infancy). Now I am more savvy and I do my research before I purchase anything, but people still have their own preferences. I saw Avatar over the weekend and I'm glad I had free tickets...
 
There is also the argument about what is best for the economy. Would it be better if companies did not pirate and then possibly did not exist at all, or is the economic gain enough to offset the software sale's loss? This is just one of the "real" questions behind piracy, but often these kind of questions are also the most difficult to answer.

http://www.osalt.com/

There are very few examples of necessary software with no free alternative. Maybe a few companies would not have existed, but that just means they had a crappy business plan.
 
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When I was younger, no i didn't (the internet was in its infancy). Now I am more savvy and I do my research before I purchase anything, but people still have their own preferences. I saw Avatar over the weekend and I'm glad I had free tickets...

Are you implying Avatart is ****e? I was hoping to go and watch that. :cry:
 
http://www.osalt.com/

There are very few examples of necessary software with no free alternative. Maybe a few companies would not have existed, but that just means they had a crappy business plan.

Sure there exists opensource software but the problem is that your client/provider is not using that software. So for you to be in business you must talk the language they talk. Just one example: You are a small software developer company who cannot afford all Microsoft's software etc. Do you now only target the 10% of the market or do you pirate and target the 90% of the market? I know of many such companies who only later go legit because it just didn't make bussiness sense to buy all the software from the get go.
 
Sure there exists opensource software but the problem is that your client/provider is not using that software. So for you to be in business you must talk the language they talk. Just one example: You are a small software developer company who cannot afford all Microsoft's software etc. Do you now only target the 10% of the market or do you pirate and target the 90% of the market? I know of many such companies who only later go legit because it just didn't make bussiness sense to buy all the software from the get go.

You can sign up with Bizspark and get ALL of Microsoft's products for free for 2 years.
 
You can sign up with Bizspark and get ALL of Microsoft's products for free for 2 years.

Is it free? I see its $100 per year? That's pretty nice. I will recommend this in the future. Thanks :D

But now why don't more people use this? Is it just unknown or is there some other catch. After three years they obviously have to start paying for all these goodies. What happens if there business is paying the salaries but they can't afford the software after three years? I'm sure there are such cases out there.

Edit: Seems a company can still use the software to develop after three years but they are not allowed to host anymore? So then this is a way to get access to the software for "free" and you can still use it afterwards? Or am I missing something?

"At the end of their program participation:
• Startups will continue to enjoy the use rights of the BizSpark Program technology offer to develop, test and demonstrate as long as all members of the Startup comply with the End User License Agreement."
 
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Sure there exists opensource software but the problem is that your client/provider is not using that software. So for you to be in business you must talk the language they talk. Just one example: You are a small software developer company who cannot afford all Microsoft's software etc. Do you now only target the 10% of the market or do you pirate and target the 90% of the market? I know of many such companies who only later go legit because it just didn't make bussiness sense to buy all the software from the get go.

So you assume that free software is reserved for the linux market only?
If you cannot afford microsoft development software (you shouldn't even consider it anyway), then use a free alternative.
 
Yes but could it not be possible that piracy is a sympton of a bigger possible evil? Even though the average Joe doesn't put to much though into it he is still pirating for some reason. Maybe we are not really able to see real reason behind it and are too quick to label it. This whole thread is concerned about classifying piracy. But we are not debating the real why, heck do we even know if we can understand the real why. hehe

Hmmm. All men are inherently evil? Who knows, but it is a valid point. People pirate and no matter what, some people always will. Some people still talk on their cellphones while driving. Some people still smoke with their toddlers in the car. Some people still speed. Etc etc. I do believe it's part of a much bigger problem, but what the scope of the problem area is I can't say. I suspect, right at the heart of it, we make choices on a daily basis that sometimes appear to violate the moral framework we profess to subscribe to. And yes, it goes in every direction. The pirate is clearly not the only one without a conscience. I am quite happy to grant the proponents of piracy that the industry itself is also a beast without conscience.

Juice
 
So you assume that free software is reserved for the linux market only?
If you cannot afford microsoft development software (you shouldn't even consider it anyway), then use a free alternative.

Ok but now Microsoft is pushing silverlight to become the replacement for flash and now you have clients who insist on silverlight. Now you are stuck because you can't do silverlight 3.0 just 1.0... And they want this and that feature which ain't in 1.0.

As long as M$ controls the market, and they do, there will be a reason to pirate. Just as M$ is there to make money they will continue to to conceive of ways to exclude opens source. This can be said for whatever industry you work in. If there is a dominant commercial product that doesn't play nicely with opensource alternatives people will pirate the commercial product because with that they can do more work and actually connect to that dammed blasted closed source server/app...
 
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Is it free? I see its $100 per year? That's pretty nice. I will recommend this in the future. Thanks :D

But now why don't more people use this? Is it just unknown or is there some other catch. After three years they obviously have to start paying for all these goodies. What happens if there business is paying the salaries but they can't afford the software after three years? I'm sure there are such cases out there.

Edit: Seems a company can still use the software to develop after three years but they are not allowed to host anymore? So then this is a way to get access to the software for "free" and you can still use it afterwards? Or am I missing something?

"At the end of their program participation:
• Startups will continue to enjoy the use rights of the BizSpark Program technology offer to develop, test and demonstrate as long as all members of the Startup comply with the End User License Agreement."

Well you could just re-register as another company. If your software isn't making money after 3 years, best you look somewhere else and I speaking from many years experience. :(
 
Well you could just re-register as another company. If your software isn't making money after 3 years, best you look somewhere else and I speaking from many years experience. :(

It was making money...just enough to say employ 3 people. So it was a benefit to the economy. But not enough to pay say 100k for software each year. Hehe and I doubt M$ would fall for the re-register as another company, they have too many lawyer for that. :D
 
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Hmmm. All men are inherently evil? Who knows, but it is a valid point. People pirate and no matter what, some people always will. Some people still talk on their cellphones while driving. Some people still smoke with their toddlers in the car. Some people still speed. Etc etc. I do believe it's part of a much bigger problem, but what the scope of the problem area is I can't say. I suspect, right at the heart of it, we make choices on a daily basis that sometimes appear to violate the moral framework we profess to subscribe to. And yes, it goes in every direction. The pirate is clearly not the only one without a conscience. I am quite happy to grant the proponents of piracy that the industry itself is also a beast without conscience.

Juice

Weirdly enough it has been proven that when a minority of drivers violate traffic laws (I think the tipping point was around 40%) traffic as a whole flows more freely.

Weird that people would waste money on a formal study like that but I read it last year, quite amusing.

It also has been demonstrated through studies (Milgram experiments anyone?) that when coerced by authority figures all humans are capable of "evil". Yes I define shocking another human being repetitively as pretty evil.
 
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