Peter de Villiers, Yay or Nah?

[semiautomatix]

If your team is steering for disaster after you warned them this would happen. Then I'm more than willing to stand back if I was wrong and say "Sorry I was wrong. You guys ROCK!"

But how can I criticize a coach/team if I support them with all my heart? That is being a hypocrite. And I'm allowed a view on the team and the makeup thereof. I'm also allowed to point out their faults and make them notice it. But you the diehard fan will be blinded by your outright backing of the team/coach and never spot the mistakes.

There is a difference

Agreed. You will only learn if you accept you made a mistake.

 

[sand_man]

Agreed. You will only learn if you accept you made a mistake.

And you can only learn by making mistakes

 

[I am Penguin]

Clearly Penguin has vast experience in the field and just by the sense that he talks and the brilliant arguments he posts its clear for all to see that winning 4/5 games is a disaster BUT winning 1/4 is brilliant.

Penguin and Malema should write a book together.....

And you fail to see the topic is about PDV and my point is that Deans selected a team that thrashed the boks in all departments. That was PDV's doing as he made the wrong choices. Deans made the Champions look like amateurs, and Henry took note. I will not be surprised if we battle and loose this weekend. My hopes are that we will win but I saw cracks and so did Deans and Henry, You see PDV is the one that shoukld study their selections and take appropiate counter decissions, but that is if he had the technical expertise, but as stated by his Boks captain himself he is not technically inclined and thus Smith must take the lead there.

Anyway lets talk again after the next game and see if the Boks just had a off day or were they just lucky because they played against weaker fielded teams.

 

[I am Penguin]

I hope you are wrong as well, i am going to tease the kuk outta ya should we nail the all blacks although that may come back and bite me should we lose .

Well Dan carter is back so I hope we beat the Shiite out of NZ just to show Henry who's boss. All depends again what poor PDV will do this time. "sight"

 

[Cantera]

And you fail to see the topic is about PDV and my point is that Deans selected a team that thrashed the boks in all departments. That was PDV's doing as he made the wrong choices. Deans made the Champions look like amateurs, and Henry took note. I will not be surprised if we battle and loose this weekend. My hopes are that we will win but I saw cracks and so did Deans and Henry, You see PDV is the one that shoukld study their selections and take appropiate counter decissions, but that is if he had the technical expertise, but as stated by his Boks captain himself he is not technically inclined and thus Smith must take the lead there.

Anyway lets talk again after the next game and see if the Boks just had a off day or were they just lucky because they played against weaker fielded teams.

Well PDV Master Minded beating Deans in South Africa, he also Master Minded THRASHING Deans with the running game in Perth. That was humilation.

Not to mention he Master Minded the All Blacks whipping back to back!!!

I would rather want PDV in my corner than Dean's.

 

[I am Penguin]

Well PDV Master Minded beating Deans in South Africa, he also Master Minded THRASHING Deans with the running game in Perth. That was humilation.

Not to mention he Master Minded the All Blacks whipping back to back!!!

I would rather want PDV in my corner than Dean's.

Sure invite him if you please. fact is and I repeat, Deans changed the OZ team replacing a few players to strengthen their weak areas and the return of a few that was injured also helped, that changed their fortunes in ONE week, and they win by thrashing the Champions in all departments, now what was the reason we played so badly and lost Hmmm, care to tell us your views instead of your opinions? We will see in two weeks if the OZ can beat NZ or at least play better and deny them a bonus point, for our sake if needed.

 

[Cantera]

What Dean's did was what a coach that is desperate does. He had no answers for the entire Tri Nations. Any coach that makes THAT much changes to a team is clutching at straws.

Hell, even the entire Rugby panel on All Out Rugby and Boots and All said that Deans has come to the end of the road, hence making so much changes - hoping for a miracle. Even the Australian rugby panel said Deans has no clue on how to play the Boks.

Out of the 3, 2 of them said the Boks will win - shows even they dont have faith in Deans.

Also, leading by 3 points in the 65th minute is hardly a hiding. What we did to them two weeks ago, that is a hiding!

 

[sand_man]

Deans got lucky, Penguin you giving him too much credit.

He got lucky that this fixture was at Suncorp fortress, he got lucky that Wayne Barnes missed the knock on prior to O'Connors try, he got lucky Wayne Barnes didn't miss the forward pass prior to Brussouw scoring his try, he got lucky the Boks might have approached this fixture with a certain amount of contempt and finally and most lucky of all he got this, the 5th fixture in this tri-nations series and the one the Boks were bound to lose...

You cannot do undefeated in the entire tri-nation series, it's almost impossible to beat the top 2 teams in the world 6 times in a row...

Now stop with all the belated praise for this supposed rugby messiah cause him and his team have been sub standard the entire season and they've EARNED last spot in this years tri-nations series the same way we've EARNED top spot...

 

[Cantera]

I agree!

Funny how the minds of some people work. Maybe they never taught Maths at their schools. Deans wins one game and he is hailed as a great!

PDV wins 4 out of 4 and he is still nothing and is not doing a good job.

 

[I am Penguin]

At least mine is still working Cantera and at least we can count futher than soccer scores. Your arguments are tedious and very mono for that matter. i ask you again give us details of why you think we lost? Hmmm.

Deans got lucky, Penguin you giving him too much credit.

He got lucky that this fixture was at Suncorp fortress, he got lucky that Wayne Barnes missed the knock on prior to O'Connors try, he got lucky Wayne Barnes didn't miss the forward pass prior to Brussouw scoring his try, he got lucky the Boks might have approached this fixture with a certain amount of contempt and finally and most lucky of all he got this, the 5th fixture in this tri-nations series and the one the Boks were bound to lose...

You cannot do undefeated in the entire tri-nation series, it's almost impossible to beat the top 2 teams in the world 6 times in a row...

Now stop with all the belated praise for this supposed rugby messiah cause him and his team have been sub standard the entire season and they've EARNED last spot in this years tri-nations series the same way we've EARNED top spot...

I am not praising him per se' I am claiming we/PDV are caught out. The next two games will prove whether I was right or wrong. IF', and thats a mighty IF", NZ take the Tri-Nations then ..... well nuff said. If we won the AB on Saturday and the OZ beat NZ next week then I was right, if not I was wrong. Fact remains PDV did not see this last hiding coming, that IMHO makes his judgement very suspect. The fact that Fourie was illegaly neutralized make me hope I am wrong but the proof is and will be in the pudding. I for one will not miss this Saturday game and I hope we win. I hope the changed NZ team gets a hiding to none, but a bonus point loss will also do.

 

[Cantera]

What are you on?

We lost because we were complacent. The players went into the game thinking one point will do. Australia played out of their skins and dominated us in the breakdown.

The ref helping them and ignoring clear off sides, as well as allowing them to get away with murder also costs us big time.

If PDV had the correct game plan, i doubt the players on the field would have won. The players had a poor game, its hard to find anybody who had a great game. Even at the scrums, the Beast was ''owned''.

Last weeks win had little do to with the ''brilliance'' of Dean. He must be some coach, if it took him a month and a half to figure out PDV.

Im looking foward to Saturday!!!

 

[I am Penguin]

What are you on?

We lost because we were complacent. The players went into the game thinking one point will do. Australia played out of their skins and dominated us in the breakdown. !!!

So that means You say that PDV and the Springboks only wanted the one point? The Boks did not want to win the game? How sad to even suggest that thats all what the proffesional Springboks wanted to do. Shame. No wonder you are a soccer fan above all. Capiche.

So the fact that the "beast" was owned was his own doing because he wanted to be owned, not because he was suddenly playing against a stronger scrum setup? Bwahahahaha. [sic]

 

[Cantera]

The Boks went into the game thinking one point will get them the win. As sad as you may think it is, it happens. Do you even play sport?????

Have you never seen a team go into match with that mentailty?

They played poor. The ENTIRE team played poor. Whats sad is, how you can hail a coach like Dean's who you think Master Minded the fall of the Boks

 

[I am Penguin]

The Boks went into the game thinking one point will get them the win. As sad as you may think it is, it happens. Do you even play sport?????

Seriously dude! Have you never seen a team go into match with that menatilty?

They played poor. The ENTIRE team played poor. Whats sad is, how you can hail a coach like Dean's who you think Master Minded the fall of the Boks

Seriously, I am so glad You are the Boks team Psycologist, You can even read the whole team's state of mind's LOL.

Wait and see after the final Tri-Nations OZ/AB game and we see if the Wannaby's are an improved outfit or they just got lucky. If they loose then maybe it's TATA TriNations.

 

[Cantera]

If they lose now? hahahahaha You must be joking with me!

They are laying STONE last on the log! Who cares if they improved in the last two games of the tournament.

They last!!!!!!!! Nothing is going to change that!!! They were the WORST team this year in the Tri Nations!!!

Maybe Deans will get a Lolly Pop at the end of the tournament for the most improved coach!

 

[I am Penguin]

If they lose now? hahahahaha You must be joking with me!

They are laying STONE last on the log! Who cares if they improved in the last two games of the tournament.

They last!!!!!!!! Nothing is going to change that!!! They were the WORST team this year in the Tri Nations!!!

Maybe Deans will get a Lolly Pop at the end of the tournament for the most improved coach!

Yes his Lollippop (are you sucking one now) is that he maybe will not be fired If they win NZ. If they loose well he maybe just be saved by beating the boks so well. So Yeah laugh or rather pray the boks was only looking for the point and they will not be searching for the same point on Saturday. How sad if that will be the case.

 

[Cantera]

The worst coach this season in the Tri Nations = Dean's

The most successful coach this season in the Tri Nations = PDV.

That is FACT!!! Like PDV or not - the stats dont lie.

 

[sand_man]

I think the polled question/topic is mis-leading.

Do you like PDV or not?

There in lies the rub...

Many people don't like him, present company included, but I think the point of this thread is to establish whether, if the decision was yours, would you retain him as national coach. Surely the question should not have been ''Do you like Pieter De Villiers or not?'' but rather ''Do you like Pieter De Villiers as the national coach or not?''

 

[I am Penguin]

I HATE supporters like you dude. You are the worst kind. Whats the point of supporting the team if you waiting for the day they fail, so you can say ''I told you so''.

I support my team win or lose. Even if things look bad and the odds of winnning is stacked against us, i will support them.

If your team is steering for disaster after you warned them this would happen. Then I'm more than willing to stand back if I was wrong and say "Sorry I was wrong. You guys ROCK!"

But how can I criticize a coach/team if I support them with all my heart? That is being a hypocrite. And I'm allowed a view on the team and the makeup thereof. I'm also allowed to point out their faults and make them notice it. But you the diehard fan will be blinded by your outright backing of the team/coach and never spot the mistakes.

There is a difference

Dont worry Pitbull he is a soccer fan and trying to impress here as there is nothing going on in the Bafana camp so he is bored and looking for an outlet for his soccer frustrations. He is worse than player 23 as he is a blind player 23 and thus got lost in the wrong sports thread. LOL

Ignore is the correct advice received

I am with You on supporting the Boks, I just hope this weekend we will not see a repeat performance. The stance is here from some "Ah well we have done good so what if we loose a few or even the tri-Nations?

Whats your take on our sudden scrum woes, how are PDv going to fix it against the AB's.

 

[APoc184]

Just to break the ice a bit.

http://www.ofm.co.za/blog.asp?id=1643

Listen to the Podcast