Petition started to remove judge over rape comments

C4Cat said:
Judges are human so it's not possible for them to be impartial, unbiased or without prejudice. That's why they have the law to guide them.
What you guys are saying is that it doesn't matter how racist, prejudiced or bigoted a judge is, as long as they don't talk about it, or display it, it's ok and not a problem. For you the problem is that they discuss or show their racism, not their racism itself.
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That's not what I'm saying at all. The reason is firstly to remove the judge from any position in which they may be corrupted or appear to have been corrupted, secondly they are societies judges, they must be above society. Or at least apart from it. Thirdly, they must not be placed in a position where they need to explain the reasons for their judgement to the public. They have the written judgement for this. Fourthly, yip a judge can be bigoted and prejudiced but they must not act on it. As you say they have the law to guide them (codified and precedent or common). But nor must their inherent failings be exposed. If they were there probably wouldn't be a justice left. As I said, they are not part of the public any longer but are put apart from us and are in judgement of us.
 
Her first mistake was to post on facebook the 2nd to corrospond with the evil queen.
But unfortunatly there is an underlying cultural aspect in the level of rape amongst black south africans vs other cultures


Interesting read if you have the time
Sexual violence against women: Understanding cross-cultural intersections

Rape, Rage & Culture: African Men and Cultural Conditions for Justification of, and Sanctions Against Rape
 
R13... said:
Because especially rape ones would potentially just fuel racism. A lot of sexual assault goes unreported maybe certain races don't report sexual assault among members of the family. I have one anecdotal case of a guy in a small town who raped his daughter and her friends and his family knew. He only got got when he raped a visiting girl whose family went after him. It was a major scandal in the small town
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so how do they solve the problem if they don't want to recognise it. Is racism all they care about or afraid off. I heard last week on radio a talk about the rape clinics where the people can go and report rape, and now they've split from the SAPS. It just seems its a problem that they can't get to solve. Freakin tragic.
 
Those that agree with this idiotic judge are just as idiotic. Rather refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about. There is no such thing as a culture of rape amongst blacks. Men of all races rape because they are criminals. Rape is a crime in almost all cultures in the world - and yes white men do rape and molest children just as much. Is it their culture? Of course not. Why would it be criminalised if it was in their culture? Before you appeal to statistics please bear in mind that statistics are like a bikini ( in the words of one football coach). They don't reveal everything
 
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JungleBoy said:
Those that agree with this idiotic judge are just as idiotic. Rather refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about. There is no such thing as a culture of rape amongst blacks. Men of all races rape because they are criminals. Rape is a crime in almost all cultures in the world - and yes white men do rape and molest children just as much. Is it their culture? Of course not. Why would it be criminalised if it was their culture? Before you appeal to statistics please bear in mind that statistics are like bikinis ( in the words of one football coach). They don't reveal everything
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Oh look...

In South Africa,*ukuthwala*is the practice of abducting young girls and forcing them into marriage, often with the consent of their parents. The practice occurs mainly in rural parts of*South Africa, in particular the*Eastern Cape*and*KwaZulu-Natal. The girls who are involved in this practice are frequently under-aged, including some as young as eight. The practice received negative publicity, with media reporting in 2009 that more than 20 Eastern Cape girls are forced to drop out of school every month because of ukuthwala.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukuthwalwa

Suppose it depends on a culture's definition if rape though :whistle:
 
JungleBoy said:
Those that agree with this idiotic judge are just as idiotic. Rather refrain from commenting on things you know nothing about. There is no such thing as a culture of rape amongst blacks. Men of all races rape because they are criminals. Rape is a crime in almost all cultures in the world - and yes white men do rape and molest children just as much. Is it their culture? Of course not. Why would it be criminalised if it was in their culture? Before you appeal to statistics please bear in mind that statistics are like a bikini ( in the words of one football coach). They don't reveal everything
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There is a rape culture in SA, no way it can be denied. Just google it to see various sources and studies. Accepting that it is there and need to be addressed is the first step in getting it sorted out.
 
Hamster said:
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukuthwalwa

Suppose it depends on a culture's definition if rape though :whistle:
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How prevalent is ukuthwala? I am black and grew up in this culture but I never heard or known anyone prrsonally that was a victim of this. Surely for something to be considered culture it must have an element of normality within that society. Rapes are not accepted in our culture, period. Rapists are sanctioned just like all crimes.
 
Vrotappel said:
There is a rape culture in SA, no way it can be denied. Just google it to see various sources and studies. Accepting that it is there and need to be addressed is the first step in getting it sorted out.
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There's a rape problem in the country but there's noway you can attribute it to black culture alone. It's a societal problem. There are black and white rapitsts. However rape is a crime every corner of SA. Rich people rape but poor people might rape more. However there is no cultural basis to this disparity. How about we look at other more plausible attributions such as socio economic factors?
 
JungleBoy said:
How prevalent is ukuthwala? I am black and grew up in this culture but I never heard or known anyone prrsonally that was a victim of this. Surely for something to be considered culture it must have an element of normality within that society. Rapes are not accepted in our culture, period. Rapists are sanctioned just like all crimes.
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Enough that it is still making the news. It is worth noting that the original practice was meant to be a way of bypassing stubborn parents hell bent on arranged marriages or a way for guys that couldn't afford labola to still marry his chick, but the practice has gone to scht and now just an excuse.

Are most urbanised black people against this? I'm pretty sure they are. What about those in rural mpumalanga and limpopo though? Lack of education, more "backward" traditionalist views than their urban counterparts (just like whites) - they could still see ukuthwala as "normal".

I'm not a sociology major though, so just a thought.
 
thechamp said:
is that is what the honourable judge based her argument on?
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I dunno. She probably based het argument on years of personal experience with the scum of the earth ...just like I base my opinion that Java sucks balls on years if experience in my field.
 
Hamster said:
Enough that it is still making the news. It is worth noting that the original practice was meant to be a way of bypassing stubborn parents hell bent on arranged marriages or a way for guys that couldn't afford labola to still marry his chick, but the practice has gone to scht and now just an excuse.

Are most urbanised black people against this? I'm pretty sure they are. What about those in rural mpumalanga and limpopo though? Lack of education, more "backward" traditionalist views than their urban counterparts (just like whites) - they could still see ukuthwala as "normal".

I'm not a sociology major though, so just a thought.
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Just like there are outliers in all cultures condoning all sorts of weird behaviour, yes there might be some folks in remote areas that might see it as normal. Judging by its rarity, I would not think it's what defines black culture in 2016. By the way I grew up in rural KZN South Coast in the 70's and 80's and I can assure you this was unheard of. I only read about this practice in historical novels. Never in my teenage years did I witness or even hear about this. It must be extremely rare.
 
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Hamster said:
I dunno. She probably based het argument on years of personal experience with the scum of the earth ...just like I base my opinion that Java sucks balls on years if experience in my field.
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Would it not perhaps be a bit twisted for a judge to base her oppinions about a culture on arguments of the accused scum that would say anything to escape jail time?
 
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freddster said:
so how do they solve the problem if they don't want to recognise it. Is racism all they care about or afraid off. I heard last week on radio a talk about the rape clinics where the people can go and report rape, and now they've split from the SAPS. It just seems its a problem that they can't get to solve. Freakin tragic.
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The point is reporting the race categories doesn't help solve anything. It'd just satisfy macabre racist curiosities.
 
Hamster said:
Enough that it is still making the news. It is worth noting that the original practice was meant to be a way of bypassing stubborn parents hell bent on arranged marriages or a way for guys that couldn't afford labola to still marry his chick, but the practice has gone to scht and now just an excuse.

Are most urbanised black people against this? I'm pretty sure they are. What about those in rural mpumalanga and limpopo though? Lack of education, more "backward" traditionalist views than their urban counterparts (just like whites) - they could still see ukuthwala as "normal".

I'm not a sociology major though, so just a thought.
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your view on black people who stay in rural areas is uneducated as much as you perceive them to be uneducated, you seem not to understand that most of the urbanized people that you meet in urban areas are the same people who stays in rural areas, who have families and extended families in rural areas, you think those families and relatives have never been to joburg, never experienced life as you do in the big cities ?, who pays for the university tuition of those urbanized blacks that you meet in urban areas if people in the rural areas are so backward and uneducated?

don't rely too much on Wikipedia to learn more about the life of black people in rural areas, next time you meet the urbanized blacks ask them about ukuthwala, some of them will know about it , some will tell you they have never heard of it.

contrary to popular belief there is no universal culture that applies to all black people as the judge would like us to believe.
 
If this is part of black culture then why would black women report rape cases to the police? Surely, the rape victims would see nothing wrong with it. Surely they'd just accept it as part of their culture and would not even bother about going to the police.
 
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