Picanto engine lights

Quick search reveals plenty of older Rio users have problems with timing belt. I'm no expert but I thought that was the fan belt? I threw out one of those once on my way to Pretoria. No other damage that time. giyf
 
jansdejager said:
Quick search reveals plenty of older Rio users have problems with timing belt. I'm no expert but I thought that was the fan belt? I threw out one of those once on my way to Pretoria. No other damage that time. giyf
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Timing belt?
Well not gonna rule it out, but according to the mechanic, when my engine is cranked,
He sees pulses indicating my belt is fine,

Also as i mentioned, just fitted a guard over it to prevent any damage to exactly this,

Could that still be, well don't know, but initially thought fuel pump, so I'm really not sure anymore,

I did even pm that Ifan guy on mybb who selling his picanto, if he can send me what his guage cluster looks like in the "on" position
Would confirm what i think it is.....
 
jansdejager said:
Quick search reveals plenty of older Rio users have problems with timing belt. I'm no expert but I thought that was the fan belt? I threw out one of those once on my way to Pretoria. No other damage that time. giyf
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Not the same thing.

Timing belt is cambelt, it turns the camshaft.
Fan belt normally turns aircons and alternators and water pumps and power steering pumps and sometimes even fans.
 
If you search for no start diagnosing there is a list that includes petrol pumps, carburettor, pressure test (surprisingly simply), spark test, voltage checks, and manifold inspection. Until you have performed these tests with a mechanic or by yourself there is no knowing and blaming it on immobiliser at this stage just seems fanciful. If it is the immobiliser a Kia fault diagnosing machine should tell you that instantaneously.
 
eg2505 said:
Timing belt?
Well not gonna rule it out, but according to the mechanic, when my engine is cranked,
He sees pulses indicating my belt is fine,

Also as i mentioned, just fitted a guard over it to prevent any damage to exactly this,

Could that still be, well don't know, but initially thought fuel pump, so I'm really not sure anymore,

I did even pm that Ifan guy on mybb who selling his picanto, if he can send me what his guage cluster looks like in the "on" position
Would confirm what i think it is.....
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can i give you a old fools way of testing,

take your can of deo ( axe, solo,etc) get your gf / partner / friend to crank the car, while you spray deo into the air intake ( pop out your air filter)

the butane / alcohol in the spray will be combustible, and your car should splutter a bit, if it does, then its fuel issue, if not, then its electrical / timing / immobilizer
 
Sinbad said:
Not the same thing.

Timing belt is cambelt, it turns the camshaft.
Fan belt normally turns aircons and alternators and water pumps and power steering pumps and sometimes even fans.
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Its not?

Well I'd think I or my 3 diffrent mechanics would spot something that elementary,

Belts are all in great condition, nothing cracked/broken even when i fitted the guard over my cambelt, the Guy had to loosen all my belts, said everything is perfect,

Only other thing I'm now thinking, but its silly right?

Initially when i had my car, when the petrol was 1/4 full I'd get "hunting" revs,
Engine would come on but revs would not stabilize and when you try drive the engine would cut out,

Woudent happen a lot but when it did I'd wait like 5 min and rev it a few times and it be fine afterwards,
Hasn't happened since i changed throttle position sensor, not even once,

Could it be that, who knows? These damn electronics are so fragile sometimes, and the anti theft system is a mystery to me......
 
jansdejager said:
If you search for no start diagnosing there is a list that includes petrol pumps, carburettor, pressure test (surprisingly simply), spark test, voltage checks, and manifold inspection. Until you have performed these tests with a mechanic or by yourself there is no knowing and blaming it on immobiliser at this stage just seems fanciful. If it is the immobiliser a Kia fault diagnosing machine should tell you that instantaneously.
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Yes all the while deciding what part of me will be the most profitable on the black market:p

My best bet so far is indeed this Immobilizer aerial story, seems plausible enough to actually be the cause,

I mean when i turn my key those 2 icons are pretty hard to miss, but again who knows,
Its could be something big? I'd think after a week somebody would spot that,
If I've gone through all of this and they still can't tell me, means it must be something very specialized indeed.

Maybe an alien got to it? Or its gonna transform like bumblebee into a 10m robot....
:D:D:D:D
 
eg2505 said:
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Initially when i had my car, when the petrol was 1/4 full I'd get "hunting" revs,
Engine would come on but revs would not stabilize and when you try drive the engine would cut out,</snip>
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Did you mess with the crankshaft position sensor at all?
 
ijacobs3 said:
can i give you a old fools way of testing,

take your can of deo ( axe, solo,etc) get your gf / partner / friend to crank the car, while you spray deo into the air intake ( pop out your air filter)

the butane / alcohol in the spray will be combustible, and your car should splutter a bit, if it does, then its fuel issue, if not, then its electrical / timing / immobilizer
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Isn't that dangerous? I mean wont it catch fire?

I'm willing if you say its safe,
And when you say sputter? What do you mean exactly?

At this point that's all it does, will it sound difrent?

Also before somebody suggest push start/jump start tried that already when i was stranded on the freeway,
 
eg2505 said:
Isn't that dangerous? I mean wont it catch fire?

I'm willing if you say its safe,
And when you say sputter? What do you mean exactly?

At this point that's all it does, will it sound difrent?

Also before somebody suggest push start/jump start tried that already when i was stranded on the freeway,
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never had any issues before, if you spray long enough and there is spark and compression, it should start, its the same as using quick start for older cars, but short 2 second bursts of deo for max 10 seconds at a time
 
eg2505 said:
Isn't that dangerous? I mean wont it catch fire?

I'm willing if you say its safe,
And when you say sputter? What do you mean exactly?

At this point that's all it does, will it sound difrent?

Also before somebody suggest push start/jump start tried that already when i was stranded on the freeway,
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Just a good way to see if your sparks are sparking and if not then it's probably not pumps. The fire will be inside where it should be :) Not sure if I can recommend this 'test' when there is an accepted way to test sparks.

If you are so concerned it's the pumps, check the fuel line. Heck, unplug it and see if it's spewing or not. Little petrol never hurt anyone. Emphasis on 'little'. :p
 
Suck, squeeze, bang, blow...

Suck: take out air filter and check intake for blockage
Squeeze: test compression while cranking on each cylinder(snapped cambelt=no compression)
Bang: check spark, disconnect fuel line and see if petrol pisses out
Blow: check exhaust for blockages

Any non-start issue is almost always the bang stage, no fuel it's the pump or pipes, no spark and it's obviously electrical. Stop with the damn diagnostic equipment for now and use brain cells to fault search.
 
Crazy question I know...but did you try reading the manual?

It normally tells you which lights should come on and then if you see others instead what they mean.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Crazy question I know...but did you try reading the manual?

It normally tells you which lights should come on and then if you see others instead what they mean.
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Dont have one for my car, and the ones on the net are for the later model picanto,

Although do remember there's usually 2 lights yellow that come on always,
One check engine and one immobilized shaped like a key,

Rest are the oil and battery and park brake and they all red, strangely never got temp light before,get now although not overheating and water in the radiator.....

I remember the colors pretty well, and I'm sure what's happening here is my immobilized aerial, or some other weird hocus pocus with the ecu or electronics on my car.

Could be other things granted, but they have had my car for a week, if it was something "standard" like snapped cambelt, or blocked intake or exhuast I'm sure they would have spotted it,

I mean what i have is very very unusual, if I've gone this long without a idea of what's wrong, and a few mechanics all can't tell me what's the cause, it must be right?

I appreciate all the help guys, i really do,
But lets see what transpires tomarrow with one last Guy, and if not kia agent it is.....

I might not like it, but if kia it is then kia it is.....
 
Rickster said:
Dude, you must really learn to fiddle, does wonders.
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Belive me dude being stranded on the freeway in the dark freezing cold makes you fiddle.... a lot actually

What i have i think must be very unique for 3. Diffrent mechanics and ecu guys to miss.....

We wait and see now what happens.....
 
Remember your ecu is like a washing machine or other electronic appliance. It could just stop working for no reason and you need to replace the circuit board. Probably first thing Kia will try replacing. It is just part of the process of elimination to pinpoint the issue.

If you can't find someone who can test a different ecu you might not have a choice, considering what you describe as your backtrace cable test seem to be positive.
 
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