Pig heads left in mosque

Aqua_lung said:
Catholic priests molesting kids does not mean that Catholicism is bad.
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Rape and Child Molesting is against the Christian Religion, and I also think that Islam and Hinduism is against this kind of behaviour. It is a shame that people who are supposed to be church leaders, do such things. According to the Bible, people with this kind of behaviour should be banned from all church activities, and they should be treated as non-believers.
 
Reptilian said:
Shouldn't forcing hundreds of millions of gay and lesbian woman into a marriage that they won't be interested in, be considered as rape?
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If you force anybody to have sex with you, it is rape. Even a married man do not have the right to force his own wife to have sex. This is rape, no matter what the circumstances may be. Sex is a good thing, but then you should not force anybody in having sex with you.
 
TheWatcher said:
Islam is the most peaceful religion and it was never spread by the sword and one day Islam will rule the world because good will always triumph over evil. :)
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BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Actions speak louder than words, and those actions make the headlines a lot more frequently these days.

Glasgow Airport terror trial: Doctors 'plotted to kill hundreds'

Iraqi Bilal Abdulla, 28, and Jordanian Mohammed Asha, 29, were doctors at hospitals in Glasgow and Staffordshire.

Two doctors plotted to kill hundreds in a wave of car bombings across Britain, a court was told today.

The court was told the men shared the same extremist ideologies as other Islamic terrorists who have struck in Britain and overseas.
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Reptilian said:
And pigs can fly... if only

Muhammed married a 6yo, so muhammed has less than half a brain?
Shouldn't forcing hundreds of millions of gay and lesbian woman into a marriage that they won't be interested in, be considered as rape?

according to what i've googled:

Mohammed actually instructed the Rape:

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.

Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150)


"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)

QURAN - 23:5,6

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."


http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-rape.htm


Yes, that is both Child molestation and Rape, both instructed by the prophet himself.
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Then Christians, Jews and Muslims must be worshiping the same god?...

Deuteronomy 20:10-17
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.
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Reptilian said:
lol

you got my point, Islam has a much larger effect and has many more absurd rules, people can still get round christianity in most cases.

it's like comparing the flu to the ebola virus... they are both bad, but at least you can recover from the one.
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But Christians should still obey the old testament anyway, there's a passage where Jesus says that he is only to fulfill the prophecies of the old testament not put an end to it.
 
Aqua_lung said:
Then Christians, Jews and Muslims must be worshiping the same god?...
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True. Allah (Islamic name for God) and Yahveh (Hebrew name) is the same God. He is the God of Abraham. The difference is that Islam believes in the Prophet Muhammad who is responsible for the Qur'an, while the Christians believe in Jesus Christ as their saviour.

Reptilian said:
premarital sex is banned in the New testament 1 Corinthians 7:28,34,36-38; 2 Corinthians 11:2

I don't know of any church which allows marriage to under 16s
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As far as I know, no church allow anyone to be married if it is against the Constitution of the country where the person will be married. If the church are not satisfied with the idea that the two are responsible enough to be married, or if they feel the marriage is based on the wrong thoughts - for example if a man want to marry his own sister - then the church will not allow it.

In the case of minor people, the church will allow it in some circumstances. If for example a 13-year old girl becomes pregnant, and the court have found that she and the baby's father responsible enough to be married, most Christian Churches will allow them to marry.

With regard to the text verses mentioned, it is true that premarital sex is banned by the New Testament, but also remember that man is made for having sex, and it is not all men who can withold themselves from sexual contact. 1 Corinthians 7 say "If you cannot withold yourself, then you should be married". Therefore, if you are truly sorry, and you ask the Lord to forgive this sin, he will do it. But then you and your sexual partner must get married as soon as possible, and you must try your best not to have sexual intercourse before you say "I DO".
 
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the solution to all the problems in the word is to ban all forms of monotheistic religions .... More ppl has died in the name of religion that in the name name of anything else .....
 
Reptilian said:
What? Christianity was NOT spread by the sword, Islam was!
There were not really forced conversions, albeit besides for sunday school which happened only happened in the very beginning.

Islam has been using the sword and bombs or anything, for over a millenia.

Chrisitanity has a great deal less to do with forced conversions, than say Islam does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion

Islam was spread by the Sword.
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omg!!!! read the history of Europe, the Americas and Africa to see how many millions of ppl were slaughtered by the christians who could not deal with the native's believes in their nature-gods ......
 
hellhound604 said:
the solution to all the problems in the word is to ban all forms of monotheistic religions .... More ppl has died in the name of religion that in the name name of anything else .....
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Banning any religion serve no purpose at all. If you ban religions, you must also ban Culture. Both Christianity and Confucianism is labled as religion throughout the years, but in practice they are not true religions. All Both of these religions are ways of life. Religion is when you practice a believing of a faith - for example Islam - where people are bind by strict laws.

Confucianism is a practice started in China by Confucius, where people are bind by the Constitution. They do not even worship a God. 90% of all Confucianists are classified as Atheists who do not believe in a god. Smyway, the Citizens of China is not allowed to practice any religion.

In Christianity, although we believe in Christ, and worship the Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) we are told to pray to the Father, and do it in the Name of Jesus (see the Lords Prayer in Mathews 5). But unlike in the case of Islam and other faiths with their strict laws, Christians are more free to do whatever we like. Jesus Himself put all the laws in two sentences "You must love the Lord your God with your whole heart, and your whole soul, and with your whole spirit, and You must love your neighbour as you love yourself. In this, all laws and prophecies are concluded". In other words, as long as you truly love one another, you will not do anything that is against the Will of God. Jesus also said that when you live according to the Law, you are cursed, but if you live according to the Will of God, you will be free.

Therefore, if you ban religion, you should also ban cultures and traditions. If you do this, people will fight for their rights, and a worldwide war wil start. Therefore it is irresponsible to ban any religion.
 
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ok, ok ... let me rephrase .... ban all religions in which you pray to an omniscient god, lol .....
 
hellhound604 said:
ok, ok ... let me rephrase .... ban all religions in which you pray to an omniscient god, lol .....
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Why should we? I like my religion. Maybe its the people who disagree who should be banned? Maybe we should ban the likes of you after all you want to impose your ideas on others. Don't like a religion, don't go to that church or don't watch religious programming. Last time I checked there wasn't much of that around. So maybe we should ban you??? :) Hmmmm?
 
Running Bear said:
Banning any religion serve no purpose at all. If you ban religions, you must also ban Culture. Both Christianity and Confucianism is labled as religion throughout the years, but in practice they are not true religions. All Both of these religions are ways of life. Religion is when you practice a believing of a faith - for example Islam - where people are bind by strict laws.

Confucianism is a practice started in China by Confucius, where people are bind by the Constitution. They do not even worship a God. 90% of all Confucianists are classified as Atheists who do not believe in a god. Smyway, the Citizens of China is not allowed to practice any religion.

In Christianity, although we believe in Christ, and worship the Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) we are told to pray to the Father, and do it in the Name of Jesus (see the Lords Prayer in Mathews 5). But unlike in the case of Islam and other faiths with their strict laws, Christians are more free to do whatever we like. Jesus Himself put all the laws in two sentences "You must love the Lord your God with your whole heart, and your whole soul, and with your whole spirit, and You must love your neighbour as you love yourself. In this, all laws and prophecies are concluded". In other words, as long as you truly love one another, you will not do anything that is against the Will of God. Jesus also said that when you live according to the Law, you are cursed, but if you live according to the Will of God, you will be free.

Therefore, if you ban religion, you should also ban cultures and traditions. If you do this, people will fight for their rights, and a worldwide war wil start. Therefore it is irresponsible to ban any religion.
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You won't convince these people. They believe that religion is root of all evil despite the greatest crimes in society being committed by atheist societies.
Throughout the 20th century it was the leftists who killed the most people, people who are officially atheist but who talk of 'banning this and that'
and who put into practice what Marx taught them - that all enemies of the state must perish in a genocidal holocaust. You'll find that many anti-religious people who write books today are Marxists and would love nothing better than to impose a totalitarian system of existence on everyone, leftism is evil except God is removed and replaced by the state which is the new god or the party.

The fact that religion plays no role in governmental and corporate policies in all the nations of the world for the last 100 years or more is lost on these people - that is they choose to ignore it or they are simply stupid. I don't know how you call the North Korean regime religious or the Rwandan genocide the work of religious people or the killing of children in Beslan the
work of religious people either. The truth is obvious, religion does not drive anything - it never did - what drives the world is human greed - that can be corporate or governmental. Sure there are sometimes religious nuts or people who start sects but those are exceptions, eg David Koresh or the Aum sect in Japan or the Solar Knights etc. There have been about 5 such sects (that committed murder) in the last 50 years and we can ascribe their existence to a lack of an established ideology or religion anyway. People who joined David Koresh felt driven out from their Baptist church. Imagine if the Baptist church was banned altogether - how many people would join these underground movements then?

In the same light the clash between Muslims and Christians has never been about religion. Its been about power. In the past there were Muslim kingdoms and empires and there were Christian ones. They fought each other the way the Romans and Carthegians fought each other - they did not fight over religion - they fought over power and wealth - that is control of certain trade routes, strategic regions, holy sites which could be used to gather tax revenue and make rulers popular and so on. There never was a purely ideological fight until we came to the 20th century with the East vs West fight which was about Communist vs Free market capitalism. If anything Communism and extreme socialism should be banned, if we look at what caused most deaths in the 20th century only an idiot will dispute that
Communism in all its guises (Stalinism, Maoism, Cambodian Communism, National Socialism in Germany etc) were the main killers of man. Therefore following the logic employed by the ant-religious crowd on this forum, we should ban those people who still believe those ideas saintly.
 
hellhound604 said:
ok, ok ... let me rephrase .... ban all religions in which you pray to an omniscient god, lol .....
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I don't know what exactly you mean, but if you are talking about religions like Satanism, where inocent children is killed then I agree. Anyway, in South Africa, if you kill any person - no matter what the reason for it may be - then you can be sure that you will end up in jail for murder.
 
who are 'these' people being referred to btw? And by your reasoning they are ignorant or idiots right?
 
PeterCH said:
You won't convince these people. They believe that religion is root of all evil despite the greatest crimes in society being committed by atheist societies.
Throughout the 20th century it was the leftists who killed the most people, people who are officially atheist but who talk of 'banning this and that'
and who put into practice what Marx taught them - that all enemies of the state must perish in a genocidal holocaust. You'll find that many anti-religious people who write books today are Marxists and would love nothing better than to impose a totalitarian system of existence on everyone, leftism is evil except God is removed and replaced by the state which is the new god or the party.
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Thanks Peter. You stated it the way I wanted to do it. I just could not find the right words.
 
phenom said:
We have already cleard it up here with Peter that Marxism and communism are religions in themselves.

They are perfectly identical to religions, SOCIALISM IS A RELIGION. These were religious Atheists.

Another thing is that no religion, does not necessarily mean Atheism.
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So who is communist China's God? And North Korea's? And socialist Venezuela's?

Have not seen you around in a while, where have you been? In jail? :D
 
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