Ping to EU increased

[zll]

All that effort for a few ms delay?
And then tomorrow, the bean counters in your new ISP change a contract and you will be back to square one.
You guys are all soft in the head.

Spot the really old guy/guy who doesn't play games/isn't good enough at gaming to know difference.

 

[Soul Assassin]

This is what it should look like to AWS London:

sent=5 received=5 packet-loss=0% min-rtt=141ms avg-rtt=141ms
max-rtt=141ms

And this is to the Dota server in Luxembourg:

sent=5 received=5 packet-loss=0% min-rtt=159ms avg-rtt=161ms
max-rtt=164ms

Getting 190ms from CPT is completely unacceptable, your current ISP sucks and they should feel bad, I am sure you will be very happy with Cool Ideas.

 

[Zurg]

Spot the really old guy/guy who doesn't play games/isn't good enough at gaming to know difference.

Don't think of it like that, I mean yeah the things we do for better internet is questionable but its become essential in our lives no? To him it looks unnecessary because he doesn't play games but I for one can notice a 10ms difference whether it be videogames or the terminal I'm using.

 

[Zurg]

This is what it should look like to AWS London:

sent=5 received=5 packet-loss=0% min-rtt=141ms avg-rtt=141ms
max-rtt=141ms

And this is to the Dota server in Luxembourg:

sent=5 received=5 packet-loss=0% min-rtt=159ms avg-rtt=161ms
max-rtt=164ms

Getting 190ms from CPT is completely unacceptable, your current ISP sucks and they should feel bad, I am sure you will be very happy with Cool Ideas.

Not to hijack the thread or anything but Axxess ping sucks, 180ms on a good day to EUW and 210ms in the evenings, I use a vpn to either UK or France but other times the ping will still be 20/30ms higher than what I normally get and that's without any other device using the internet.

 

[PBCool]

Not to hijack the thread or anything but Axxess ping sucks, 180ms on a good day to EUW and 210ms in the evenings, I use a vpn to either UK or France but other times the ping will still be 20/30ms higher than what I normally get and that's without any other device using the internet.

Is Openserve transit, majority over sat3 which is ~10ms higher latency vs WACs they may switch cables at peak as it's cheaper who knows.

 

[cavedog]

Not to hijack the thread or anything but Axxess ping sucks, 180ms on a good day to EUW and 210ms in the evenings, I use a vpn to either UK or France but other times the ping will still be 20/30ms higher than what I normally get and that's without any other device using the internet.

I won't say suck because it's 10ms higher between JHB and Lon vs WACS. Certain routes to EU central like France and Amsterdam go via EASSy as Openserve is at AMS-IX.

 

[PBCool]

I won't say suck because it's 10ms higher between JHB and Lon vs WACS. Certain routes to EU central like France and Amsterdam go via EASSy as Openserve is at AMS-IX.

Good old MPLS, if we peered at AMS-IX we would still route traffic via WACs. We should be peering in France soon and even though the extension of Eassy lands in Marseille we will still route north and via WACs as primary for better latency.

 

[cavedog]

Good old MPLS, if we peered at AMS-IX we would still route traffic via WACs. We should be peering in France soon and even though the extension of Eassy lands in Marseille we will still route north and via WACs as primary for better latency.

JHB to Marseille is 162ms give or take via EASSy which is not bad (similar latency via Seacom). EASSy has been more reliable than WACS.

 

[Zurg]

Is Openserve transit, majority over sat3 which is ~10ms higher latency vs WACs they may switch cables at peak as it's cheaper who knows.

I'm with Octotel.

 

[cavedog]

I'm with Octotel.

Yes but the IP Transit is from Openserve/Telkom

 

[Zurg]

So that wdcnw-os-cer-1-wan.osnet.co.za is Telkom/Openserve?

@cavedog @PBCool

 

[zll]

Don't think of it like that, I mean yeah the things we do for better internet is questionable but its become essential in our lives no? To him it looks unnecessary because he doesn't play games but I for one can notice a 10ms difference whether it be videogames or the terminal I'm using.

He insulted people (called them soft in the head), so I gave him a bit of a taste of his own medicine. Just because he doesn't get it doesn't mean he gets to go around giving people kak over it.

 

[Geoff.D]

He insulted people (called them soft in the head), so I gave him a bit of a taste of his own medicine. Just because he doesn't get it doesn't mean he gets to go around giving people kak over it.

You are all so damn sensitive and full of PC BS that you can't see a joke when it stares you in the face.
The point is we live at the ends of long international routes with generally fixed minimum latencies that are hopefully stable.
Changing from one ISP to another is just an exercise in futility.
BUT, it does expose how unbelievably stupid the bandwidth management process is in some ISPs.
All that matters, in the end, is the jitter values which is the parameter you should be looking at.
With human reaction times measured in hundreds of ms, claims you can tell the difference in a 10 ms increase in latency is highly unlikely.

Average human reaction times are:
Visual - 250 ms;
Audio - 170 ms; and,
Touch - 150 ms.
Much more likely is that your computer system does not handle latency variability very well and hence IT is the reason why you have a perception that you can tell the difference in a 10 ms increase in latency.

 

[cavedog]

So that wdcnw-os-cer-1-wan.osnet.co.za is Telkom/Openserve?

@cavedog @PBCool


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It's Openserve transit yes. Don't think of it as a bad thing. They are likely the biggest network in SA.

Telkom has earned a bad rep because of poor copper that plagued them for years but that is not the same as their IP Transit.

 

[Soul Assassin]

You are all so damn sensitive and full of PC BS that you can't see a joke when it stares you in the face.
The point is we live at the ends of long international routes with generally fixed minimum latencies that are hopefully stable.
Changing from one ISP to another is just an exercise in futility.
BUT, it does expose how unbelievably stupid the bandwidth management process is in some ISPs.
All that matters, in the end, is the jitter values which is the parameter you should be looking at.
With human reaction times measured in hundreds of ms, claims you can tell the difference in a 10 ms increase in latency is highly unlikely.

Average human reaction times are:
Visual - 250 ms;
Audio - 170 ms; and,
Touch - 150 ms.
Much more likely is that your computer system does not handle latency variability very well and hence IT is the reason why you have a perception that you can tell the difference in a 10 ms increase in latency.

Even if you say you can't notice the difference like you say the video game most certainly can, and if your latency is 190ms things happen that you know wouldn't happen if you were at 160ms.

 

[Geoff.D]

Yes, I will grant you that the game sw might be able to "assist" the player in dealing with latency issues up to a point.

Still, a stable situation is what we should be hoping for, whatever the latency is, it should not be subjected varibility.

 

[Soul Assassin]

Yes, I will grant you that the game sw might be able to "assist" the player in dealing with latency issues up to a point.

Still, a stable situation is what we should be hoping for, whatever the latency is, it should not be subjected varibility.

That's why he is moving to an ISP not primarily based in KZN to better cater for his needs in CPT so he can actually use WACS.

That's why month to month is a thing, his current ISP decided that that routing isn't cost effective for them anymore so he moves.

 

[zll]

You are all so damn sensitive and full of PC BS that you can't see a joke when it stares you in the face.
The point is we live at the ends of long international routes with generally fixed minimum latencies that are hopefully stable.
Changing from one ISP to another is just an exercise in futility.
BUT, it does expose how unbelievably stupid the bandwidth management process is in some ISPs.
All that matters, in the end, is the jitter values which is the parameter you should be looking at.
With human reaction times measured in hundreds of ms, claims you can tell the difference in a 10 ms increase in latency is highly unlikely.

Average human reaction times are:
Visual - 250 ms;
Audio - 170 ms; and,
Touch - 150 ms.
Much more likely is that your computer system does not handle latency variability very well and hence IT is the reason why you have a perception that you can tell the difference in a 10 ms increase in latency.

Lol. It's just a joke until it's about you hey Look who's being sensitive in the first sentence of their reply.

He didn't get 10 ms delay. He went from 160 to 190, which unless you're old/slow/not used to the difference to begin with, you will notice. I've played games where I've felt lag spikes and then checked ping meters and been like, oh, yup, there's the extra 20+ ms.

Sure, your body has certain latencies built in. Even your pc does between peripherals. You add that all together and you get a baseline. Any shift from that baseline will be more or less noticeable depending on who you are. Maybe you don't notice it, but plenty of people like me do. It's like refresh rates/FPS on monitors. Will a lot of gamers be able to tell the difference between 144 hz and 240 hz? Unlikely. Will a lot of gamers be able to tell the difference between 72 hz and 144 hz? Absolutely. There are already dozens of YouTube videos proving that people can see it.

So sure, strawman 10ms, but again, we're not talking about 10 ms here. We're talking about three times that amount.

 

[CrypticZA]

Lol. It's just a joke until it's about you hey Look who's being sensitive in the first sentence of their reply.

He didn't get 10 ms delay. He went from 160 to 190, which unless you're old/slow/not used to the difference to begin with, you will notice. I've played games where I've felt lag spikes and then checked ping meters and been like, oh, yup, there's the extra 20+ ms.

Sure, your body has certain latencies built in. Even your pc does between peripherals. You add that all together and you get a baseline. Any shift from that baseline will be more or less noticeable depending on who you are. Maybe you don't notice it, but plenty of people like me do. It's like refresh rates/FPS on monitors. Will a lot of gamers be able to tell the difference between 144 hz and 240 hz? Unlikely. Will a lot of gamers be able to tell the difference between 72 hz and 144 hz? Absolutely. There are already dozens of YouTube videos proving that people can see it.

So sure, strawman 10ms, but again, we're not talking about 10 ms here. We're talking about three times that amount.

Can back this up, when WACs was broken and i had to go via East Coast i would get 200ms to Overwatch servers instead of 160ms and that difference was so big i couldn't even play the game at the same level.

With the addition of the changes to routing to Bahrain me getting 150 in a game vs 170 i can even say the difference is huge.

The difference of 20-30ms can be a huge factor to whether the game server registers your command to lift your shield up to protect your team or you and your whole team getting shattered by the enemy Reinhardt...

 

[zll]

Can back this up, when WACs was broken and i had to go via East Coast i would get 200ms to Overwatch servers instead of 160ms and that difference was so big i couldn't even play the game at the same level.

With the addition of the changes to routing to Bahrain me getting 150 in a game vs 170 i can even say the difference is huge.

The difference of 20-30ms can be a huge factor to whether the game server registers your command to lift your shield up to protect your team or you and your whole team getting shattered by the enemy Reinhardt...

When I had 200 ping in League of Legends I struggled to get to Gold every year. The first year I got 160 ping I made it easily and made it to high Gold. If you're not a competitive gamer I would 100% understand not caring. 160 vs 190 ms doesn't mean anything. For those of us who do game and like to compete for fun, it's massive.