Pre-order iPhone

biltonguy said:
Ya I think you're right. But whats stopping Vodacom from charging R1500 (as Jobs said - $199) for a 8GB model on a R800pm contract?
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Do you honestly think that Vodacom wont want to make a profit on the iPhone? not in this country - we get ripped off for everything.

To be honest ... the smart move would be for Vodacom to sell it at R1500 or whatever but make their money on contracts. Everyone will signup just for the phone.

Well we just have to wait and see.
 
Shardie said:
Do you honestly think that Vodacom wont want to make a profit on the iPhone? not in this country - we get ripped off for everything.

To be honest ... the smart move would be for Vodacom to sell it at R1500 or whatever but make their money on contracts. Everyone will signup just for the phone.

Well we just have to wait and see.
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Yes but that would go against their constitution of ripping us off and of total and utter greed.:cool:
 
biltonguy said:
When Jobs said $199, he meant that will be the operator subsidised price when signing a lengthy contract. What he didnt say is what the monthly charges on that contract will be... Thats obviously up to the specific operator and how much Apple is charging them per unit.
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Found this:
Apple will be selling the 8GB 3G iPhone for $199, less to its operator customers, who may then discount further on the back of hefty monthly fees - down to €1 in Germany or even nothing at all in the UK.
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On this:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/19/3g_iphone_bom_forecast/
 
McGuywer said:
What will your price be?
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My price will obviously be higher than cost. Taking into account shipping, warranty, unlocking etc etc .... maybe R3500. Also depends on Vodacoms pricing. I will be cheaper than Vodacom though.

Please dont hold me to any pricing yet. I will let you all know once I get final pricing. With this exchange rate going on like its on drugs, I hope to sell them as cheap as possible.

PROMOTE www.iphone3g.co.za

;)
 
McGuywer said:
Found this:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/19/3g_iphone_bom_forecast/
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The article is suggesting that operators are importing the iPhone for $199 per unit? I find that very hard to believe, especially for an apple product...

You can barely get mid-range nokia's for that price. Nevermind a touchscreen, 3G, GPS, Wifi apple smartphone.

It is much more likely that operators are importing them for a figure much higher than $199 and then just subsiding them down to that price on a contract.
 
Wait and see...

I am not the biggest I-phone fan, would prefer something more free, Like an HTC, but at the price they go for? i-Phone killer my butt! Let's just say Vodascum gives a pay as you go customer the phone for R2400...I could get 3 i-phones for the price of 1 HTC Tytn2...

Other case scenario, I go through Sardie, I can still get 2 phones, and save R1000 that the HTC would have cost.

What I am hoping is that the i-Phone will actually drive down prices. I mean, if Sardie can provide them for us at R3500 unlocked, what won't it do for prices? I mean, you won't get a Tytn 2 for under 5k on BidOrBuy, a HTC Diamond for under 7k...

We will see how the contracts look, and what Vodasham does with the power Steve gave them. Remember, Vodascum still has to obey Steve. If they don't go by his terms and it causes consumer outcry, he can negotiate with MTN or Cell C, or Virgin.

Also, another fact we have to keep in mind, the only reason Vodasham will provide the i-Phone to customers from the other networks is due to the competition commission. If only they are allowed to provide i-Phone to their network MTN and Cell C will surely take it to court. So this way they won't be able to complain that their customers can't get access to the i-Phone. But we will still see what happens in that space.

So as much as I am not a fan of the i-Phone, that much hope I have in it driving down prices so much that even people who can't spend too much on a phone can afford it, and thus provide competition to the other phone manufacturers. The only way to compete with a cult object that (in processing power) is more powerful than you is to go cheaper, or go broke.

At the rate that I hope the i-Phone will be available for even me, i-Phone anti-fan, might get one...

We will see....
 
Supply & Demand?

biltonguy said:
The article is suggesting that operators are importing the iPhone for $199 per unit? I find that very hard to believe, especially for an apple product...

You can barely get mid-range nokia's for that price. Nevermind a touchscreen, 3G, GPS, Wifi apple smartphone.

It is much more likely that operators are importing them for a figure much higher than $199 and then just subsiding them down to that price on a contract.
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Well, as far as I know with Computer Hardware, when DDR667 is the in thing, it will be much better priced than DDR400. Just because it is better does not mean it has to be more expensive. Remember, Apple is projecting sales of 10-30 million i-Phones, which is a pretty significant market share to have of the mobile phone handset space. To sum it up, if they can get 10% of the world hooked on their handsets, those users are likely to get a new apple handset when the time comes to upgrade.

So I think some of it is to get people hooked, but also that producing the i-Phone in such volumes has driven down the price so much that they can provide it for that much. So this is not just a play to get into rich peoples pockets, it is a play to get Apple products in more pockets than the usual Apple consumer. What would the results be? Um, future customers for their other products? How about being on top in the Mobile phone space? Either of those reasons on their own would be enough motivation for a company to do this...
 
Article...

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/02/technology/iphoneUK.fortune/

This is an old article, but just an idea of how loaded the whole i-Phone thing is for Apple...More motivation. And I know I won't possibly cover all the angles of revenue and possible brand establishment among the lower medium range of users. Heard about the revenue share thing apple does with companies, making money for each Apple user...They are coining it...They are really gunning for billboard space and bigger pockets full of greener money...I wonder how many years, if possible, it will take them to outgun M$....Remember, one needs to keep consumers in mind. But it is a space and battle and company that will keep us entertained...
 
Shardie said:
Do you honestly think that Vodacom wont want to make a profit on the iPhone? not in this country - we get ripped off for everything.

To be honest ... the smart move would be for Vodacom to sell it at R1500 or whatever but make their money on contracts. Everyone will signup just for the phone.

Well we just have to wait and see.
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Vodacom's profit does not come from mark-up on phones, it comes from the user spending money on airtime and using value added services...:cool:

The retailer selling it cash, without a contract, would obviously make a margin. How much depends on how it (the deal for activation) is structured. If it is on a prepaid deal (with starterpack), 10% markup on a cash purchase is my guess.

I heard that they will be targeting the youth market in a big way, so I don't see how they can do that by over pricing the product? Also, remember that this is a Vodafone deal - in many countries, not only SA, so the price will be what they (Vodafone) negotiate with Apple.

I do think though, that like in other countries, you will have to take either a contract or a prepaid starterpack from Vodacom to get the phone. Not sure how they will enforce this, by locking it to the network or not. We wait to hear more...;)
 
francoislr said:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/02/technology/iphoneUK.fortune/

This is an old article, but just an idea of how loaded the whole i-Phone thing is for Apple...More motivation. And I know I won't possibly cover all the angles of revenue and possible brand establishment among the lower medium range of users. Heard about the revenue share thing apple does with companies, making money for each Apple user...They are coining it...They are really gunning for billboard space and bigger pockets full of greener money...I wonder how many years, if possible, it will take them to outgun M$....Remember, one needs to keep consumers in mind. But it is a space and battle and company that will keep us entertained...
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Afaik that was the old model - all that has changed.
 
I've been watching some of these 3G iPhone discussions get completely hysterical with pricing, dates, packages, etc. being bandied about.

Here are the facts:

1) The phone is coming to SA.
2) We don't know when.
3) It will be available on contract and pre-paid.
4) We don't have any pricing information.

None of the dates or pricing being posted comes from credible sources.
 
v3g has spoken

Finally a reliable piece of information amidst the flotsam.

I still have to have my go at the pricing though....

As far as discernable it appears that in Stevie J's keynote he said a max price of $199. Uk has translated this at almost spot at 99 quid. Bearing that in mind it looks like we gonna get it for less than R2K (at spot rates on the day) but the big question is on what contract.

If Vodacom is daft enough to put it on anything higher than a R300 pm contract the market penetration won't be achieved.

My calculated guess (read: shot in the dark) is R299 pm contract, unlimited email and web browsing and R2k pay in....at the lowest contract level.
 
More info..

My friend has been talking to Steven Dolenberg from the toys and technology podcast, and everytime i have seen him he has had his iphone around.my brother even mentioned him having a box of the things at a stage. apparently he is quite informed about the whole thing and by the sounds of it, the price is going to be very good. so i will stick by the idea that we might get it for between 1600 to 2400...but time will tell.
 
From Vodacom:

Thank you for your e-mail communication to Vodacom.

Kindly be advised that the Apple iPhone will be released to Vodacom South Africa on the 20 July 2008. The Apple iPhone has not been launched on the Vodacom network as yet. At present there is no estimated time of arrival for the handset. Before the handset is launched it will still need to undergo stringent testing, which can also delay the launch.

Should you have any further queries, please contact us via e-mail at [email protected].


In other words, we will most likely only see this in the 3rd or 4th quarter of this year..
 
[LAMEEXCUSE]will still need to undergo stringent testing, which can also delay the launch. [/LAMEEXCUSE]
 
vodacom3g said:
I've been watching some of these 3G iPhone discussions get completely hysterical with pricing, dates, packages, etc. being bandied about.

Here are the facts:

1) The phone is coming to SA.
2) We don't know when.
3) It will be available on contract and pre-paid.
4) We don't have any pricing information.

None of the dates or pricing being posted comes from credible sources.
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So the fact that Steve Jobs indicated a world wide release to the countries at the same time the 11th July doesn't mean anything. You would think vodacom would try to milk everyone for everything and take advantage of this. Perhaps you guys need a better marketing team.
 
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