Problem: Delayed Billing for Contract Data usage for December 2007

i have sad memories of something similar that happened to me on the MTN camp. I never succeeded in getting them to tell me exactly what my huge download was supposed to be. Apparently there is a privacy law in our country that says they are NOT allowed to look into your logs to find out exactly what was downloaded.

That was more than a year ago.

I did the same , I cancelled the bundle and went prepaid.

However, like the Borg said "RESISTANCE-IS-FUTILE" guess what, i am back on the bundle making even more money for them than the previous bundle.

So pass me the KY-Jar will you. :-(
 
After 2 weeks of "investigating" my exorbitant account for December,some miscreant comes back to me ,e-mails me an Xls worksheet containing data usage and says tough ****,you pay.
Although I waited for the add hoc to SHOW on my account on V4ME before using it,it HAD NOT BEEN APPROVED by the billing dept yet.
So Im merrily busy downloading 300Megs out of bundle..

Thanks a ton Vodacom.Great stuff ! Do I perhaps sound miffed here ?

Now for January`s surprise ! During this "investigation" it comes to light that for 12 days in a row ,at precisely 11.53 pm,and for 24 minutes at a time,data flowed via my IP and account.My account stands at R900.00 ALREADY ! This excludes my contract for the month !

Let the battle commence !!!!

After 3 years Im canceling my contract and going PP.

V3g,Thanks for looking into this for me.
Ive had so many people phone me over the last few days and not one has a credible explanation for me.The lsat call came not an hour ago telling me it was the Billing dept that took 3 hours to activate my add hoc.This was after I waited for it to show on my account on V4me.
Not a problem,Ill pay.Its the last time though,Im canceling and going pre paid.That way I know when I dont have data to use.


No one can tell me what data flowed on my IP at 11.53 every night for 12 nights in a row.
Its been suggested I have a trojan opening ports at this time of night.Strange as I ALWAYS switch EVERYTHING off at the mains at about 10 every night as Im aware and cagey for this very same reason.Im on a router and I dont trust it being left powered on all night.
Gees,This is tiring trying to get something from Vodacom.Im just tired of it all.

I've seen this in the past. I think i mentioned it somewhere in a thread a few months ago. It was quite confusing, coz these customers came complaining to me about their high usage which they didnt use, and this while "everything is switched off". And they were being charged big amounts.

There was nothing i could do at that point, but instructed them to log a call with 155 to investigate. I'm not sure, but i think they got credited for it.
 
Fair is fair..Vodacom are on the path of redeeming themselves in my eye`s..
The data at midnight is a secondary stream that we,as users ,seldom know about.Its an internal thing and is related to the days usage.It does not affect my account or billing in the slightest.
So,not a financial problem there..
Thanks VC.

The additional January charges are for almost 4 Gig usage in December though.:eek::eek:Due to a "problem" it rolled over to Jan. invoice..Ok,I accept that but not the amount of usage..We are still butting heads over that one..
Although I monitor my usage and keep record via netmeter,the actual data transferred through my IP was close to 4 Gig.
I dispute the usage as I still had 273 odd Meg from my add hoc left over,but be that as it may..At least some constructive and positive feedback from Vodacom.
Also credit is due to V3G as well..I believe due to him my query went rather high up in VC..Thanks bud..:)
 
Mmm,Still no feedback on the second half of this problem re: the data usage/billing thereof..
 
Late EDRs

They experienced late "call" records coming through the network billing system. AFAIK the volumes are correct, but if you, like me, make use of ad hoc data bundles and buy new ones "just in time" you are a bit screwed. I am being hit for R1200 OOB usage :eek: which (whilst I dont dispute the volume as I probably did use it) is a little unfair as I routinely buy 1 and 2GB bundles as I need them so I "never" go OOB. :(

I will be asking to have my usage re-rated as if I had purchased a 1GB bundle on December 18th.
 
Two billing problems in one month - this is getting too much

I also received a sms telling me I will be billed for R315.91. Looks like it is a common problem.

I am on VC contract and activate an ad hoc 500MB bundle each month. I monitor bundle useage via VC's services (*111#, sms to 31050 or V4Me website) and very rarely go into OOB rates - max a few MB.

At the end of Dec I checked and saw 154MB available, so I used up what I thought I had left on the 31st. Now I see on my Feb itemised record a whole bunch of entries for Dec from the 15th to 31st, all timed at 11:55pm, which add up to 318MB, so it looks like I used it twice.

How on earth are we supposed to monitor usage if the VC tools do not work? I share the bundle between an E220 and my phone as I have a extra data SIM on my phone contract. It is not feasible to use the software data counters as the usage is shared between my home pc and my work laptop.

On top of the above, the clown I spoke to at 155 managed to activate 2 Ad hoc bundles simultaneously on 3 Jan and charge me for both of them on my Jan bill.

I called as the V4Me website was not working properly to activate a 500MB Ad Hoc bundle. First a 1GB was activated then ("sorry, did you ask for a 500MB...") a 500MB was activated. SMSs sent from 12000 claimed that the 1GB request was cancelled but the billing system obviously missed that. Many phone calls later and I am still waiting for the charge for the 1GB to be reversed - promised for the end of the month billing run. I have no faith it will happen right now.

Are Vodacom's billing system people taking lessons from Eskom?? Inconvenient outages that we still have to pay for...

Stuart
 
Im waiting to see if I'm charged the R1250 odd this month...I'm going to go ballistic if I am...
Have not heard back from VC about the additional charges yet,and its the 30th....tick tock...
 
Why does Vodacom use 2 billing systems?

I received an SMS today: Due to a technical problem, you were not billed for all Dec 2007 data usage.An amount of R145.05 will be included in your 3Feb bill. Apologies Vodacom 082111.
Amazingly enough, I had data left over on my contract at the end of December (2Gb + 2Gb Ad-hoc)! I downloaded the Itemised Billing Report for December, and it also indicates a data usage of less than 4Gb!
Phoning 082111 is a waste, as they don't deal with such queries. In the end I'm told that "our system shows you have used your 2Gb contract as well as the 2Gb ad-hoc bundle". So, Vodacom has two billing systems! One for themselves and one for clients? Get ONE that works, and pass on the savings to your clients!
 
I received an SMS today: Due to a technical problem, you were not billed for all Dec 2007 data usage.An amount of R145.05 will be included in your 3Feb bill. Apologies Vodacom 082111.
Amazingly enough, I had data left over on my contract at the end of December (2Gb + 2Gb Ad-hoc)! I downloaded the Itemised Billing Report for December, and it also indicates a data usage of less than 4Gb!
Phoning 082111 is a waste, as they don't deal with such queries. In the end I'm told that "our system shows you have used your 2Gb contract as well as the 2Gb ad-hoc bundle". So, Vodacom has two billing systems! One for themselves and one for clients? Get ONE that works, and pass on the savings to your clients!

Not sure how you got to the 2 billing systems? :confused:

Billing records are collected from a number of platforms (different subs are on different platforms) and then passed to the billing engines.

From what I can gather, one of these did not pass the records for a period, so some subs did not get billed for a period in December.

This is now what they're correcting. The 155 guys should be able to help with any queries.
 
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I think Vodacom's treatment of contract customers is arrogant and despicable.
1. We are not provided with a tool to accurately measure data usage.
2. If we use the available tools to find out how much data is left on a data bundle and then use what we think we have available (remember it is "Use it or lose it") we are penalised for Vodacom's system problems.

How would you react when you get caught in a speed trap half way between two towns and the traffic cop tells you "yes, the speed limit was 120km/h, but we reduced it to 100km/h 10 minutes after you left town"?

If your system fails and you provide inaccurate information the least Vodacom can do is to bill customers at in-bundle rates, not out-of-bundle rates!

If you have an accurate (real-time) system that ensures that customers using PPDBs bundle can see how much data is left on a bundle, use the same system in reverse for contract customers. Subtracting is just addition using a "-" instead of a "+". Try it on your calculator, it works like that!!
 
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Vodacom,you suck !! and have also lost a customer.

Checking my bank VC has charged me for their bugger up !!
This after I was told the additional out of bundle data would be converted to a 1 Gig add hoc and hence Id have to pay for an additional 1 Gig add hoc only..!!

That means that the un explained Jan data usage will also now be charged for..!!

Three years of very happy VC usage and it has to end like this..

I really am pissed here..If Id not been told the changes would be made I would have accepted the charges..:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
What gets to me is that I am very careful with my data usage and if I had known I was going into OOB I would have bought another one.

Except that according to the system I could not buy another bundle until the 30 days were up as there was a positive balance. When I could buy another one, the Modify Services option in V4Me was not available (supports the theory of system upgrading). Which meant having to phone 155. Which resulted in being charged for a 1G bundle I did not ask for... can't win

VC mistakes do happen. It's how they are resolved that make the difference... At least if the unwitting additional data usage is charged at in bundle rate it would be an acceptable compromise.

Still waiting for the return call from Customer Service to say how it will be resolved
 
Ditto

They experienced late "call" records coming through the network billing system. AFAIK the volumes are correct, but if you, like me, make use of ad hoc data bundles and buy new ones "just in time" you are a bit screwed. I am being hit for R1200 OOB usage :eek: which (whilst I dont dispute the volume as I probably did use it) is a little unfair as I routinely buy 1 and 2GB bundles as I need them so I "never" go OOB. :(

I will be asking to have my usage re-rated as if I had purchased a 1GB bundle on December 18th.

Ditto exept I dont have the time for this, v3g help?????
 
Ditto exept I dont have the time for this, v3g help?????

I was phoned by a chap from VC on Friday.
He was taking charge of my complaint personally (Finally !! A person making a decision to take charge of something and running with it !! You are to be commended Sir,a shining light amongst a hoard of spineless little people !!)

Although Ive been billed and the money taken off my account,I am to be credited as if the extra data were an additional 1 Gig add hoc bundle..

Im sorry I lost cell phone contact with you Mr Vodacom guy,I would have liked to suggest your name for new top dog in charge of everything at Vodacom !:):)
 
Will be buying a MTN PAYG Sim today with a bit of airtime, see if it performs better. If it is I am cancelling all bolt - on / ad - hoc bundles and buying MTN airtime instead until V3G contract expires. Add all the above to this thread http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1487808#post1487808 and you can see that Vodacom is stuffing up big time and does not give a Sh.:mad:

I was overcharged R960-00. I'll pay.

Vodacom I spend R3800-4500 a month with you muliply this buy 10 other peed off users and you have R 45 000 a month loss.

Come everyone affected lets boycott Vodacom :mad:
 
Will be buying a MTN PAYG Sim today with a bit of airtime, see if it performs better.

I did exactly that, and I get better speeds on MTN than on Vodacom! Bargain!

Two good things: I'm well out of my contract period, and Vodacom sent the sms in time for me to cancel my contract at the end of Feb.
 
I was able to help Big Kriss, because he sent me very detailed information.

Also, Big Kriss already tried the normal channels and battled.

In such a case, I'm here to help. But if you've not already made contact with the formal support structures, please do not use myADSL as first-line support. Vodacom's got thousands of people ready to do first-line support and we cannot duplicate it here. It's really not why I'm here.

Because Big Kriss gave all the info in a clear manner, it made it easy to pass his problems to the right people and he got sorted out, or at least understand what happened.

Big Kriss might want to suggest on what to send through.

If you want me to do the same for you, absolutely no problem. But if I don't get full details I don't send the PM through.

I'm not being hard-assed about this, but really have given up on trying to chase down info that should have been in the PM in the first place.

Please use the template in my sig and add as much info as you can. Write the PM as if you've never explained the problem before and re-read it to make sure someone who's never heard of your problem will understand it. If you've posted relevant info on the forum, include it in the PM. It does not help to refer to the forum as I then need to go and search for what you posted and try and build up a coherent picture for the mail. I've given up on doing this.

Write it as if you're logging it on the call-desk e-mail system (which you should have done already, in any case).

Then PM it to me.

So, basically:

- First try the normal support channels.
- If that does not work, write a complete mail (with all info above to [email protected])
- If you don't get a decent response after 48 hours, PM me the mail-trail.

ic can also maybe comment. He uses the above method.
 
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To be fair and really trying to be unbiased here I have to say that regarding my problem (which a lot of guys seem to also be having .) , has been an unpleasant ordeal of note.
So much so that Ive rather lost faith in the systems at Vodacom.
This unfortunately is typical of real big business employing thousands of people.

I was aggrieved at the fact that Id done almost everything possible from my side to control as accurately as possible my usage and then be billed for oob data usage ..I do this every month so as not to be surprised when the billing takes place.
What really annoyed and frustrated me was the lack of a credible explanation as to why and how this had occurred..

Vodacom were not that forthcoming in admitting there was a billing problem and therefor the only method available to me ,my account usage details on V4ME ,was not accurate for me to be able to control my usage. ie: buy additional add hocs when needed.
Feedback caller upon caller could only say that the data usage was correct from their point and that Id be charged for it.
No explanation as to how,why or how come the system failed ME,the customer.

Next step was V3G and thank goodness for this outlet being available ! We now bypassed the robot people and started getting some positive feedback and also credible explanations as to the problem.
The problem by the way I felt I was NOT at fault for.
Ultimately a compromise was reached ,not entirely in my favour,but acceptable to me under the circumstances.

Obviously Vodacom will not admit total liabilty for this ,hence the compromise..Typical big business lines..

I can say that when asking V3G for assistance,its imperative to give all relevant details such as account number,account holder,all history from your side in trying to solve the problem prior to his entrance into the matter,as well as contact persons you had already dealt with and the outcome up to that point.
Mmm..perhaps also add what the problem is from your side ;)

Im probably a youngster in terms of having dealt with Vodacom time wise..Only 3 odd years on contract,but in excess of 10 as a PP cell user.

I have mostly been incredibly happy and could not relate to other`s complaints on this forum related to VC..
Until now.

This whole saga has NOT been about the money,but rather that if it could happen once and I paid up with no questions,it will probably happen again !!

I have advised VC to cancel my HSDPA contract and I will be going the PP route in future. Pre paid eliminates the billing stuff up problem and really also everything else that could possibly go wrong..

Big thanks to V3G for all his help here,thanks bud.
 
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