Retirement Annuity Fund

bigicy

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Hi there

A life insurance salesman has almost convinced me to get a Retirement Annuity Fund to obtain the tax benefits. But I have just had 2nd doubts about getting the Retirement Annuty Fund as I do have possible long term plans on emigrating one day in the future. The Retirement Annuity Fund that I was recommeneded was the one from PPS (Professional Provident Society)

Any help would be appreciated
 
Hi there

A life insurance salesman has almost convinced me to get a Retirement Annuity Fund to obtain the tax benefits. But I have just had 2nd doubts about getting the Retirement Annuty Fund as I do have possible long term plans on emigrating one day in the future. The Retirement Annuity Fund that I was recommeneded was the one from PPS (Professional Provident Society)

Any help would be appreciated

Never heard of PPS.

U do get a tax benefit, depends on your income.

U only start getting your money when you're 55 years old (are exceptions to that though, but thos end up costing u money).
One of those tricky investments that you really, really need to understand and think about before u sign up for one.
 
RA's are a nice way for saving for your retirement. If you emigrate you could still service you payments monthly from overseas. It also gives you life/disability cover if I'm not mistaken and you can claim this back from Tax.
 
Bigicy, I work as an Independant Insurance Broker, and all I do these days is save clients big time on their Life Cover and benefits. With the markets like they are, and the admin fees, policy fees, broker commission etc, it makes sense to save your money in a money market account at a bank.

Lets see if this statement get me k@ked out by other advisers. :p
 
Bigicy, I work as an Independant Insurance Broker, and all I do these days is save clients big time on their Life Cover and benefits. With the markets like they are, and the admin fees, policy fees, broker commission etc, it makes sense to save your money in a money market account at a bank.

Lets see if this statement get me k@ked out by other advisers. :p

Agree 100%
 
PS: Wrt RA's: I've just pushed all the spare cash I had into my 100% equity RA with Allan Gray when the ALSI dropped below 20 000. It's a great buying opportunity now and even more so if you pay more than 40% tax.
 
Just to let you know, OP, that recent tax legislation amendments allow you to withdraw your retirement fund monies if you formally emigrate.

As for the "so called professional" above telling you to save your money in a money market account... well the less i say about this the better! I will endeavour to post some slides later showing your expected long term returns in money market compared to the other asset classes!

Over the long term equities is the only way to go! Got guests now so won't get into details, but I will be back!!!!!!
 
Yeah.
I work at one of the bigger financial insitutions.
(I'm not into actual finance in my job though)
PPS, I ain't heard of yet.:o


Like waaib said - financial services and medical aid for professionals (university graduates). I think it is underwritten by Sanlam.

I am not saying they are either good or bad, just that they are quite well known.
 
PPS is an exclusive society for professionals with at least a 4year qualification. Their core business is to provide an income to professionals in times of illness, hospitalization, etc. For example, if you are a CA, and fall ill for 2 weeks, you cannot charge your fees. PPS will then re-imburse you for the time you are unable to perform your work.

Their rates are extremely competative in this niche market. All the other benefits that they provide are add on's underwritten by major players.
 
Like waaib said - financial services and medical aid for professionals (university graduates). I think it is underwritten by Sanlam.

I am not saying they are either good or bad, just that they are quite well known.

I dunno anything about them other than what I saw here.
My RA's are at the same place as someone else's on this thread.
I don't work there, just put my money there.
 
Could someone please explain to me why it wouldn't be better to pump those funds into a bond and pay that off much earlier? If you can settle your bond in 7-10 years earlier and continue plowing spare funds into your property, would you not be growing a decent nest egg for retirement too? I know a couple who've managed to grow this into 2 townhouses and 2 flats which they're renting out, over the space of 6 years. I reckon the sale of those properties some day, will bring in a decent profit?
 
PPS is an exclusive society for professionals with at least a 4year qualification. Their core business is to provide an income to professionals in times of illness, hospitalization, etc. For example, if you are a CA, and fall ill for 2 weeks, you cannot charge your fees. PPS will then re-imburse you for the time you are unable to perform your work.

Their rates are extremely competative in this niche market. All the other benefits that they provide are add on's underwritten by major players.

Their premiums may look competitive but the contributions you pay towards their income replacement benefits are not tax deductible (talk of changes in the next tax year) like those of the life offices are. Yes, the proceeds are tax free but you are definitely going to be paying the premiums, and hopefully you will never need to claim.

The escalation in claim with PPS is at the mercy of the trustees of PPS. The amount by which your benefit will increase is not laid out up front.

Yes, this benefit is usually cheap(er) but just always make sure you are comparing apples with apples.

A lot of life companies now all offer "professional rates" to qualified graduates so the gap has closed considerably.

Could someone please explain to me why it wouldn't be better to pump those funds into a bond and pay that off much earlier? If you can settle your bond in 7-10 years earlier and continue plowing spare funds into your property, would you not be growing a decent nest egg for retirement too? I know a couple who've managed to grow this into 2 townhouses and 2 flats which they're renting out, over the space of 6 years. I reckon the sale of those properties some day, will bring in a decent profit?

Sounds wonderful until the property market fails to grow, and in fact loses value in real terms, as we currently have. I know a couple who have three properties and they are now looking at selling the one at less than they owe on the bond (the reason being that bond repayments, levies, rates etc are in excess of R11,000 and they are managing to get rental of R6500 for the property - or they could have it standing empty! So in other words they are becoming worse off considering the property value is currently not growing), the other one they are battling to get R800,000 when they hoped for over R1mill and the third they are living in!

Now your rental income on your properties is taxed. Proceeds from the sale of it accrue CGT. Your bond repayments are not tax deductible. (Now I am not saying money cannot be made in property but I am saying be careful of putting all your eggs in one basket...)

Now compare this to an RA where your earnings within an approved retirement annuity fund are tax free. The proceeds (ie when you retire) have a tax free lump sum portion to them, with preferential rates above this tax free amount. Your contributions are tax deductible up to certain limits.

Now think about this last one.... if you are on a 40% tax rate you are effectively making a 40% GUARANTEED return (you WILL get tax money back on this!!). To put it another way you are effectively only contributing R600 for every R1000 you invest! Tell me what other investment guarantees 40% returns... and this is before the actual portfolio return. And then of course throw in the benefits of these funds being protected from creditors... lose your house and their go your retirement "savings".

Everyone should be taking advantage of Trevor's gift by maximising their tax deductibility when it comes to RAs.
 
i have a stratus ra through sanlam (i think its called) should i get one from allan gray as well? Can i do multiples? Or just push extra cash in?
 
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