SAPS issues tender for armoured double cab bakkies

Zellephant said:
In a country where glorified ”spaza shop” owners are driving around in armoured cars, you can't justify the need for the police to have armoured vehicles?

The police did not need fancy offices in the center of Pretoria, bought at exhirbitent cost from some connected cadre, but I can definitely see the need for armoured vehicles. Especially if they are planning on taking on some of the more organised and violent criminal networks in our country.
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I would prefer a tender for body cams and better police training over armoured vehicle for police.
 
Zellephant said:
We South Africans love having a moan, and we also have good reason to be skepticle of any government spending, the track record of government doing well in SA isn't great. But I don't think we need to be too negative about this one. Under the GNU it seems a lot of bad actors have lost their government protection, and the more specialised police units seem to be given more and more freedom to actually do their jobs.

If these armoured vehicles will be deployed to get the gang overrun areas of the country back under control, that's great. I mean one just needs to drive the N2 between Somerset West and Cape Town to see what areas look like where no sane policeman would dream of going in to do do any sort of police work today. The cops can't access these areas at all. To regain control of these areas will need lots of armoured vehicle and more “military” style policing.

But fear not, soon enough some one will start crying about the police using “aparthied style tactics” again.
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and more “military” style policing.
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Next headline, "100 gang members killed in a month, Police brutality, blah blah blah".
The same South Africans who complained about the gangs will all of a sudden be on the side of the same gangs against the state, pretty much like what we are seeing with illegal mining and spaza shops.
 
TheChamp said:
Next headline, "100 gang members killed in a month, Police brutality, blah blah blah".
The same South Africans who complained about the gangs will all of a sudden be on the side of the same gangs against the state, pretty much like what we are seeing with illegal mining and spaza shops.
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30 years of corruption by your beloved party has caused citizens to immediately think there is corruption or wasteful expenditure involved.

We dont just change overnight, same why you still hate our forefathers.

I believe SAPS should have armoured vehicles, but then it needs to also include vehicles where they can shoot from inside and not need to park, get out and then get shot.
 
MachoPants said:
I would prefer a tender for body cams and better police training over armoured vehicle for police.
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I highly doubt these armoured vehicles are destined for your local suburban cop shops visible policing unit. These will be allocated to specialised units doing serious work in scary places.

Yes, I agree that our police generally need better training, and bodycams might also not be a terrible idea, but that again relates mostly to your run of the mill uniformed “beat cop”. There are specialised units that are highly trained and very effective when properly managed, and it does seem under the new regime “GNU”, and with the gangster in a hat no longer in charge, there is a lot of movement towards cleaning up shop in South Africa, and that will require the police to more and more often go toe to toe with heavily armed militias… hence the need for these vehicles.
 
Zellephant said:
In a country where glorified ”spaza shop” owners are driving around in armoured cars, you can't justify the need for the police to have armoured vehicles?

The police did not need fancy offices in the center of Pretoria, bought at exhirbitent cost from some connected cadre, but I can definitely see the need for armoured vehicles. Especially if they are planning on taking on some of the more organised and violent criminal networks in our country.
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Armoured vehicles are not going to do it for them. What will do it is being properly trained, motivated, and having the will to pay the price, for the privilege and honour of carrying the "Badge"

Not the current crowd, who are in the police, to stay out of prison.

Armoured cars - picture "Police Academy" good guys taking pot shots in a standoff against the bad guys and not achieving anything, other than proving that the vehicles are bullet proof, to the specified level of protection. A total waste of money.

To do anything useful, like arresting people, you have to get out of your over priced tin can, and do it.

That negates, any usefullness of armoured vechiles. You are safe inside, but you cannot do the job you are being paid for from inside of one. That is reality
 
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The_Mowgs said:
30 years of corruption by your beloved party has caused citizens to immediately think there is corruption or wasteful expenditure involved.

We dont just change overnight, same why you still hate our forefathers.

I believe SAPS should have armoured vehicles, but then it needs to also include vehicles where they can shoot from inside and not need to park, get out and then get shot.
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They have loads of those, but they tend to be a lot bigger, and not as mobile/agile as double cab bakkies, and have a different purpose - mostly roit control and blockade work. These bakkies will be for flying squad and drug unit type work. If you read the article, they specifically request for rear windows that can be opened half way, this is specifically to allow them to shoot from the vehicles if needs be. But generally you don't do a lot of shooting from the inside of a armoured vehicle like this… you rely on the armour to protect you while you escape to a safe staging point, and then use the vehicle as a shield, firing from behind open doors…
 
F-EK2EKWEAA284e

Surely better to strike fear in the hearts of men and women.

But jokes aside, I can think that the recent raids on foreign security camps and illegal mining have gotten mid level SAPS mighty nervous about their capability.
 
c3n0byt3 said:
F-EK2EKWEAA284e

Surely better to strike fear in the hearts of men and women.

But jokes aside, I can think that the recent raids on foreign security camps and illegal mining have gotten mid level SAPS mighty nervous about their capability.
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Ala "Police Academy Style" police drive armoured car inyo gansters lounge, and arrest him, without having to get out of the vehicle, and risk big fat arses. Head line news - Ganster was so terrified he ran down the passage, screaming - total distruction of niegbourhood ensured. Ganster not arrested.

Armoured vechile destroyed, police in hospital.
 
In a country where if they want you dead they just shoot you once you've exited the car or are coming back to it (and where they even blow up heavily armoured trucks with ease!) why is our incompetent police force wasting millions on this.
 
NR7 said:
In a country where if they want you dead they just shoot you once you've exited the car or are coming back to it (and where they even blow up heavily armoured trucks with ease!) why is our incompetent police force wasting millions on this.
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Good question - and as they are buying the stuff, proves they do not know or understand the answer.
 
NR7 said:
In a country where if they want you dead they just shoot you once you've exited the car or are coming back to it (and where they even blow up heavily armoured trucks with ease!) why is our incompetent police force wasting millions on this.
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Big difference between what you describe (being a targeted attack on a selected target), and a rapid response armoured vehicle used when chasing down armed gangs, engaging in raids etc.

Again, these cars are not going to be used by your friendly neighbourhood visible policing team.

Stop being silly. The police in this country leave a lot to be desired and a complete overhaul will take decades, but there is a lot of positive police work being done on high value targets the past few months, exactly the kind of thing these type of vehicles are needed for. This is more likely than not a sign of changing times, and it’s a good thing. It’s a step in the right direction
 
Zellephant said:
Big difference between what you describe (being a targeted attack on a selected target), and a rapid response armoured vehicle used when chasing down armed gangs, engaging in raids etc.

Again, these cars are not going to be used by your friendly neighbourhood visible policing team.

Stop being silly. The police in this country leave a lot to be desired and a complete overhaul will take decades, but there is a lot of positive police work being done on high value targets the past few months, exactly the kind of thing these type of vehicles are needed for. This is more likely than not a sign of changing times, and it’s a good thing. It’s a step in the right direction
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You’re the type of guy to approve of the “crime prevention” wardens fleet of new BMWs aren’t you…
 
NR7 said:
You’re the type of guy to approve of the “crime prevention” wardens fleet of new BMWs aren’t you…
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Not at all. These things are not that.

I’m just not the type of guy that chooses to be outraged by everything.
 
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