Scottish Referendum on Independence

Should Scotland be an independent country?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 53.2%

  • No

    Votes: 52 46.8%
  • Total voters
    111
  • Poll closed .
But never again should 4 million voters be able to decide the national fate of 62+ million people in a democratic United Kingdom. If/when the next referendum takes place, the franchise will have to be extended to all British citizens and subjects (at home & aboard).
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Besides the hilarity of The Guardian talking about democracy as though it is something they really support, those numbers reflect what the Scots had viewed as the problem. Prior to the devolution of power their votes were swamped by everyone else. They rightly felt that Westminster viewed and treated them as less important than people in England. Those numbers also show the ridiculousness of English people who whine that Scottish people should not get a vote on English laws because the English don't get to vote on Scottish laws.

thestaggy said:
At this point in time, could you really label the English as foreigners from a Scottish, Welsh and Cornish perspective? How many hundreds of years now? Could it simply be that these people identify as British before picking a nationality?
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Many English were still viewing the Irish, Welsh and Scots as basically dirty, useless foreigners as recently as the 70s.
 
noxibox said:
Many English were still viewing the Irish, Welsh and Scots as basically dirty, useless foreigners as recently as the 70s.
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Since its Friday, and this deserves a comment...

Don't most English still view the Irish and the Welsh as dirty useless foreigners (except for their comedians), the Scots are just that crazy lot that drink to much...
 
noxibox said:
Besides the hilarity of The Guardian talking about democracy as though it is something they really support, those numbers reflect what the Scots had viewed as the problem. Prior to the devolution of power their votes were swamped by everyone else. They rightly felt that Westminster viewed and treated them as less important than people in England. Those numbers also show the ridiculousness of English people who whine that Scottish people should not get a vote on English laws because the English don't get to vote on Scottish laws.
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But if it is a close vote, the Scottish MPs would almost certainly be the decisive factor and make it look not as close as it should be.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Since its Friday, and this deserves a comment...

Don't most English still view the Irish and the Welsh as dirty useless foreigners (except for their comedians), the Scots are just that crazy lot that drink to much...
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... then there has always been the French and the Gypsies plus we mustn’t forget relative newcomers like the Poles and Romanians and the current bunch of truck-hopping middle-eastern refugees at Calais :)
 
noxibox said:
Many English were still viewing the Irish, Welsh and Scots as basically dirty, useless foreigners as recently as the 70s.
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Many English were still viewing all non-english people as basically dirty, useless foreigners as recently as this morning
 
MickZA said:
... then there has always been the French and the Gypsies plus we mustn’t forget relative newcomers like the Poles and Romanians and the current bunch of truck-hopping middle-eastern refugees at Calais :)
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The French are just surrender monkeys,
And the Pikey's.. *spit*..

The rest don't even deserve a mention tbh.
 
CATALAN INDEPENDENCE BID 'CONTINUES' DESPITE SCOTS' 'NO'

The Catalonia region's leader Artur Mas said Friday his bid to hold a vote on independence from Spain "continues" and has been "strengthened" despite Scotland voting "No" to breaking away from Britain.

"The process in Catalonia continues and is moving ahead," Mas told a news conference. "The Catalan process is strengthened because we have seen an EU country agree to allow a vote."


Source : Sapa-AFP /gm
Date : 19 Sep 2014 13:46
 
noxibox said:
Besides the hilarity of The Guardian talking about democracy as though it is something they really support, those numbers reflect what the Scots had viewed as the problem. Prior to the devolution of power their votes were swamped by everyone else. They rightly felt that Westminster viewed and treated them as less important than people in England. Those numbers also show the ridiculousness of English people who whine that]Scottish people should not get a vote on English laws because the English don't get to vote on Scottish laws.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but England does not have it's own parliament? Westminster represents the UK and not England while N.Ireland, Wales & Scotland all have their own local parliaments or whatever they call it locally. So it kinda makes sense why they everybody gets a vote in Westminster but not the other way round.
 
noxibox said:
Besides the hilarity of The Guardian talking about democracy as though it is something they really support, those numbers reflect what the Scots had viewed as the problem. Prior to the devolution of power their votes were swamped by everyone else. They rightly felt that Westminster viewed and treated them as less important than people in England. Those numbers also show the ridiculousness of English people who whine that Scottish people should not get a vote on English laws because the English don't get to vote on Scottish laws.


Many English were still viewing the Irish, Welsh and Scots as basically dirty, useless foreigners as recently as the 70s.
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This is 2014. Not 1980. The 70's was not yesterday. The UK is a completely different country. If anything its the SNP who have showed the most bigotry in the last few days with anti-English sentiment, while the English have been remarkably calm about the whole thing. Fortunatly the majority of Scots have rejected SNP bs.
 
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The Poms haven't been this happy since BoB, or the Headingley 1981 Ashes test match victory over Aus. :D
 
Frankie Boyle:

I should have expected this, because if you'd asked me to estimate how many c*nts there were in Scotland I'd have said about 2 million.
 
Alex Salmond resigns as first minister after Scotland rejects independence

Alex Salmond has said he will stand down as Scotland's first minister and Scottish National party leader after failing to secure a majority for independence in Thursday's referendum.

He told a press conference in his official residence of Bute House that he would stand down as first minister in November when a new SNP leader will be chosen.

Salmond said he had made the decision in the morning after the referendum result emerged: "For me right now there is a decision as to who is best placed to lead this process forward politically.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/alex-salmond-resigns-first-minister-for-scotland
 
Is this going to give the torries another few years at Westminster?
 
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