'Sorry for injecting pupils with birth control'

Nerfherder said:
You still have to get consent for vaccinations - even though they are compulsory in some cases.
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You don't get consent for something that's compulsory. They should have at least informed the parents, I'll agree to that.
 
rietrot said:
You don't get consent for something that's compulsory. They should have at least informed the parents, I'll agree to that.
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Vaccination isn't compulsory in ZA Afaik. Parents must still consent to it.
 
ForceFate said:
Pregnancy is contagious?
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Amongst school girls it most certainly is.

The only other solution is to teach strick abstinence and for that the comunity and parents need to be on board. Raise them like Amish.
 
rietrot said:
Amongst school girls it most certainly is.

The only other solution is to teach strick abstinence and for that the comunity and parents need to be on board. Raise them like Amish.
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Aa pointed out, there's nothing wrong with birth control measures as long as proper channels are followed. If my kid was to arrive from school one day with hormone altering chemicals in her body, I'd surely take it up with the school and department; possibly even go the legal route
 
ForceFate said:
Vaccination isn't compulsory in ZA Afaik. Parents must still consent to it.
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I think many schools will deny your child entry if they have not been vaccinated. You also can't not give your kid an education so at some point you will have to vaccinate the little ****s.

Its a fair analogy from reitrot because at some point I can see birth control becoming compulsory for schools.
We need to set the standard now with counselling and information.
 
Nerfherder said:
I think many schools will deny your child entry if they have not been vaccinated. You also can't not give your kid an education so at some point you will have to vaccinate the little ****s.

Its a fair analogy from reitrot because at some point I can see birth control becoming compulsory for schools.
We need to set the standard now with counselling and information.
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I was just pointing this out.

I'm not an antivaxxer. Will definitely vaccinate my kids one day when they arrive.
 
What is really needed is birth control for males. Considering one man can impregnate multiple women quite easily, on a regular basis, and boys do tend to be more promiscuous, that would make the most sense - for teenagers and adults. Hopefully such a thing will be easily available in the not too distant future...
 
C4Cat said:
What is really needed is birth control for males. Considering one man can impregnate multiple women quite easily, on a regular basis, and boys do tend to be more promiscuous, that would make the most sense - for teenagers and adults. Hopefully such a thing will be easily available in the not too distant future...
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Source?
 
C4Cat said:
What is really needed is birth control for males. Considering one man can impregnate multiple women quite easily, on a regular basis, and boys do tend to be more promiscuous, that would make the most sense - for teenagers and adults. Hopefully such a thing will be easily available in the not too distant future...
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Last time I checked any fiddling causes cancer.
 
C4Cat said:
What is really needed is birth control for males. Considering one man can impregnate multiple women quite easily, on a regular basis, and boys do tend to be more promiscuous, that would make the most sense - for teenagers and adults. Hopefully such a thing will be easily available in the not too distant future...
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I can see it now:
Male contraceptives are sexist because they remove control of reproduction from woman.

Male contraceptives will basically end the need for child support. Which means that it removes an avenue of wealth transfer. On that basis alone I bet it would be banned.
 
BeerIsNotGood... said:
Last time I checked any fiddling causes cancer.
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Yeah, they are working on it, that's why I said "Hopefully such a thing will be easily available in the not too distant future..." indicating it's not currently available
 
I think you can actually get male contraceptives but condoms are just a cheaper alternative.

*edit* from wiki

Medications
Two delivery methods are currently under active study: male hormonal contraceptives that can be taken in pill form by mouth, similar to the existing birth control pill for women[27] and male hormonal injections.[28]

Gossypol, an extract of cotton, has been studied as a male contraceptive pill. It decreased sperm production; however this is permanent in 20% of people.[29]
Inhibition of chromatin remodeling by binding to a pocket on BRDT has been shown to produce reversible sterility in male mice.[30]
JQ1, a selective BRDT inhibitor which acts in this manner, is currently under development as a non-hormonal male contraceptive drug. It effectively blocks the production of sperm by the testes, and lacks the adverse effects of previously researched hormonal contraceptives for men.[31]
Immunocontraception targeting sperm antigens has been found to be effective in male primates.[32]
Calcium channel blockers such as nifedipine may cause reversible infertility by altering the lipid metabolism of sperm so that they are not able to fertilize an egg.[33] Recent Research at Israel's Bar-Ilan University show that as of June 2010, such a pill may be five years away. Testing it on mice has been found to be effective, with no side effects.[34]
A compound that interferes with the vitamin A pathway has been shown to render male mice sterile for the course of the treatment without affecting libido. Once taken off the compound, the mice continued to make sperm. The mechanism of action includes blocking the conversion of vitamin A into its active form retinoic acid which binds to retinoic receptors which is needed to initiate sperm production.[35][36]
This can be done, for instance, by blocking an aldehyde dehydrogenase called RALDH3 (ALDH1A2), which converts retinaldehyde into retionic acid in testes. Past attempts to do this failed because the blocking compounds were not sufficiently specific and also blocked other aldehyde dehydrogenases, such as those responsible for the alcohol metabolism, causing serious side effects.[37]
Another way is blocking retionic receptors themselves, although it can also have serious side effects.[35]
Adjudin, a non-toxic analog of lonidamine has been shown to cause reversible infertility in rats.[38]
The drug disrupts the junctions between nurse cells (Sertoli cells) in the testes and forming spermatids. The sperm are released prematurely and never become functional gametes. A new targeted delivery mechanism has made Adjudin much more effective.[39]
Gamendazole, a derivative of lonidamine, shows semi-reversible infertility in rats. The mechanism of action is thought to be disruption of Sertoli cell function, resulting in decreased levels of inhibin B.[40]
Multiple male hormonal contraceptive protocols have been developed. One is a combination protocol, involving injections of Depo-Provera to prevent spermatogenesis, combined with the topical application of testosterone gel to provide hormonal support.[41][42]
A similar proposal consists of yearly subdermal implant administering a synthetic testosterone compound (7α-methyl-19-nortestosterone) combined with regular injections of Depo-Provera.[43]
The implant alone (without Depo-Provera injections) has been shown to already sufficiently reduce sperm count in most of the subjects given the highest tested dosage in a Phase II trial.[44]
Another is a monthly injection of testosterone undecanoate, which recently performed very well in a Phase III trial in China.[45]
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Phenoxybenzamine has been found to block ejaculation, which gives it the potential to be an effective contraceptive. Studies have found that the quality of the semen is unaffected and the results are reversible by simply discontinuing the treatment.[47]
Trestolone is an anabolic steroid that has been shown to significantly reduce sperm count.[48]
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Illegal - plain and simple. They didn't get consent from the parents.
 
konfab said:
I can see it now:
Male contraceptives are sexist because they remove control of reproduction from woman.

Male contraceptives will basically end the need for child support. Which means that it removes an avenue of wealth transfer. On that basis alone I bet it would be banned.
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Doubt it. Millions of dollars are currently being spent on developing male contraception. Though I can see that some women may not like it
 
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