State capture inquiry begins

thechamp said:
It's just the kind of language used by lawyers, not necessarily to say Zuma is the one giving them ideas on what to do next.
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Nope legal language has to be very precise. That is why you can draw inferences from it.
 
I think Zondo should do three things:
  1. Hold Zuma in contempt, and slap him with an arrest warrant or massive fine (former would be better).
  2. Approach the Constitutional Court on a VERY urgent basis for a ruling on the recusal to short circuit Zuma's Stalingrad tactics.
  3. Lay his own complaint with the JSC against Zuma's lawyer. Who, in my humble opinion, is a Dick for Hire.
My understanding of the commission's terms of reference suggests he is certainly within his rights to give effect to 1 and 2 immediately.

As for the JSC, it hasn't held Hlophe to account yet, so to my mind that might not be a useful tactic but probably worth doing anyway.
 
IdlePhaedrus said:
I think Zondo should do three things:
  1. Hold Zuma in contempt, and slap him with an arrest warrant or massive fine (former would be better).
  2. Approach the Constitutional Court on a VERY urgent basis for a ruling on the recusal to short circuit Zuma's Stalingrad tactics.
  3. Lay his own complaint with the JSC against Zuma's lawyer. Who, in my humble opinion, is a Dick for Hire.
My understanding of the commission's terms of reference suggests he is certainly within his rights to give effect to 1 and 2 immediately.

As for the JSC, it hasn't held Hlophe to account yet, so to my mind that might not be a useful tactic but probably worth doing anyway.
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would not disagree with your laid out approach...but I am inclined to think Zondo, is not touching this political showerhead potato

Will write his report....and make recommendations...and leave it to the NPA to pursue...agree that Zuma's lawyer is rather unpleasant -- and yet he and Zondo know each other since childhood, same village...same law school.

In one way or another Zuma has to face some form of music...or he will just become a festering sore for the nation + I am sure old Donny is taking notes.
 
IdlePhaedrus said:
I think Zondo should do three things:
  1. Hold Zuma in contempt, and slap him with an arrest warrant or massive fine (former would be better).
  2. Approach the Constitutional Court on a VERY urgent basis for a ruling on the recusal to short circuit Zuma's Stalingrad tactics.
  3. Lay his own complaint with the JSC against Zuma's lawyer. Who, in my humble opinion, is a Dick for Hire.
My understanding of the commission's terms of reference suggests he is certainly within his rights to give effect to 1 and 2 immediately.

As for the JSC, it hasn't held Hlophe to account yet, so to my mind that might not be a useful tactic but probably worth doing anyway.
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Your 3. won't work. Only judges account to the JSC, lawyers account to their respective bars and don't see how you can hold them to account for doing " what their client instructs" them to do. The short circuit idea is best. Zuma's has a history of drawing everything out for as long as possible to escape accountability. Zondo has to be able to use that history in his approach to the ConCourt. I suspect he'll not do so.

Zuma would never have raised recusal arguments two years ago because that's not his style. He was happy to string things along as long as possible and raise irritating objections only when he sees the light at the end of the tunnel. He needed to max out the delays.
 
TysonRoux said:
Snollygoster Zupta has learnt that this "inquiry" is toothless.

www.aljazeera.com

South Africa’s ex-president Zuma walks out on graft commission

Jacob Zuma walked away after failing in his legal bid to get Judge Raymond Zondo to step aside.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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Zuma is so compromised that he even forgot to play the law abiding citizen game, he is letting Sikhakhane lead the way and in the process he doesn't remember that he still has politics to take care of.

The strategy of going full rogue is just too risky for politics.
 
New trend in South Africa: "I don't want to be prosecuted, so I just walk out."
 
skimread said:
**** just got real.

Zondo lays criminal charges against Zuma


www.news24.com

Zondo lays criminal charges against Jacob Zuma for absconding from commission | News24

Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo has requested that a criminal complaint be laid against former president Jacob Zuma.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
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www.dailymaverick.co.za

Zondo gets hardcore on Zuma, throws every legal lasso, including urgent approach to Constitutional Court

Judge Zondo puts Jacob Zuma on notice: he will lay a criminal charge against the former President, issue a new summons and seek an urgent ConCourt order to force him to appear before the State Capture…
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za
 
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thechamp said:
www.news24.com

Listed tech firm EOH made payments to Zizi Kodwa and former Zuma PA | Business

Just over a million rand in payments were made from EOH's former public sector head to politically exposed persons over a period of two years, a probe found.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
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More details of the EOH recipients:
www.dailymaverick.co.za

Days of Zondo: ANC and Joburg mayor Geoff Makhubo plunged into EOH tender kickback scandal

There’s been new evidence at the Zondo commission that executives of the tech giant EOH channelled questionable payments to the ANC – before and after it landed significant contracts with the City of …
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za
 
thechamp said:
Looks like Zondo has realised that playing nice with the Zuptoids is not going to get him anywhere.

citizen.co.za

Zondo to lay criminal charge against Dudu Myeni for outing Mr X | The Citizen

Zondo says the police will investigate whether Myeni contravened Section 5 of the Commissions Act or regulation 9 of the inquiry's regulations.
citizen.co.za citizen.co.za
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Don't expect any immediate action, the NPA is snowed under:
www.news24.com

Lobby groups say Zondo's criminal complaint against Dudu Myeni sends the right message | Business

Corruption fighting bodies have welcomed the decision by the state capture commission to lodge a criminal complaint against the former SAA chair for revealing the name of a secret witness.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
 
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