Stealerships

Willie Trombone said:
Well from his perspective, I can believe the liability to some degree.
If you're a dealership, you don't have choices.
But as for OEM being inferior - that's a bit of a laff.
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The stealerships often use oem and aftermarket parts if the original part is not currently in stock, only difference is they will typically warrant it same as an original part. On older vehicles some parts aren’t available any longer on order so aftermarket is the only option dealers have.

Just go hang around Midas and ask them how often they supply to the local dealerships, you may even see the dealers drivers coming and going.
 
airborne said:
The stealerships often use oem and aftermarket parts if the original part is not currently in stock, only difference is they will typically warrant it same as an original part. On older vehicles some parts aren’t available any longer on order so aftermarket is the only option dealers have.

Just go hang around Midas and ask them how often they supply to the local dealerships, you may even see the dealers drivers coming and going.
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Midas, Goldwagon, Afripart, Autopart, there are many.

TBH, most issues I've had are with dealerships and parts supplied by them vs my after markets. Brake pads that wear in 10k kms or warped disks, bottle failures on VW's. Once you car is beyond service or maintenance, make your choices. My wifes car had a 5 year service which was extended quite cheaply ( R2.5k for additional 2 years ) and I was quite happy to do so but the next lot were ridiculously expensive and not worth the cost, not to mention having an argument around wear and tear on the cars.

Dealerships lately are trying to compete with the promise of genuine parts but they are still high on the labor side as well as often having many horror stories of additional work or "discoveries" that are frivolous.

Heres and example, R450 for a pair of wiper blades? in 2018?
 
airborne said:
They trained you well in the laws and logic of stealership.
I’ve always chosen high quality aftermarket parts if available and have yet to have a failure. That’s from water pumps to cambelts, clutches to gearbox oil.

You are talking absolute k4k.
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talking kak .nope .how many service items do you do a year to offer such an educated opinion we handle around 1400 services a year with all original parts .how many do you do for that expert opinion mr kak praater
 
airborne said:
The stealerships often use oem and aftermarket parts if the original part is not currently in stock, only difference is they will typically warrant it same as an original part. On older vehicles some parts aren’t available any longer on order so aftermarket is the only option dealers have.

Just go hang around Midas and ask them how often they supply to the local dealerships, you may even see the dealers drivers coming and going.
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show me one fiat.lancia.mercedes .jeep.dealership that uses midas parts .wake up youre a joke .
 
airborne said:
The stealerships often use oem and aftermarket parts if the original part is not currently in stock, only difference is they will typically warrant it same as an original part. On older vehicles some parts aren’t available any longer on order so aftermarket is the only option dealers have.

Just go hang around Midas and ask them how often they supply to the local dealerships, you may even see the dealers drivers coming and going.
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im waiting show me how many services you do .oh wait only your vw beetle .poepall .typical keyboard warrior .
 
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But as for OEM being inferior - that's a bit of a laff.
and you can base that on how many original parts you fit compared to original dealer parts .show me any manufacturer that recommends after market parts .liability is the reason why they wont
 
Kosmik said:
Midas, Goldwagon, Afripart, Autopart, there are many.

TBH, most issues I've had are with dealerships and parts supplied by them vs my after markets. Brake pads that wear in 10k kms or warped disks, bottle failures on VW's. Once you car is beyond service or maintenance, make your choices. My wifes car had a 5 year service which was extended quite cheaply ( R2.5k for additional 2 years ) and I was quite happy to do so but the next lot were ridiculously expensive and not worth the cost, not to mention having an argument around wear and tear on the cars.

Dealerships lately are trying to compete with the promise of genuine parts but they are still high on the labor side as well as often having many horror stories of additional work or "discoveries" that are frivolous.

Heres and example, R450 for a pair of wiper blades? in 2018?
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450 for wiper boades is cheap .the problem comes in when you buy aftermarket parts cheaper and you dont get the correct adaptors and have to reuse the old ones .but i understand the post .others are ludicrous .
 
yawn im closing now .done enough this week .like i allways say everyone is entitled to an educated opinion .but by doing one wiper change every year isnt an educated opinion .enjoy the weekend .dont drink and drive
 
soulie said:
show me one fiat.lancia.mercedes .jeep.dealership that uses midas parts .wake up youre a joke .
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soulie said:
show me one fiat.lancia.mercedes .jeep.dealership that uses midas parts .wake up youre a joke .
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Ok bellend better go drink some more koolaid.

The only joke around here is the guy that doesn’t know how to use grammar or make coherent arguments.

All dealers use Midas and other aftermarket parts suppliers to varying degrees, that’s just a fact of life. If you took your head out of your nought you’d be able to see that.
 
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airborne said:
All dealers use Midas and other aftermarket parts suppliers to varying degrees, that’s just a fact of life.
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Been in the industry all my life and can attest to that.

I don't see the point of buying a SKF bearing, or whatever else at a premium from a dealer when it has just been re-boxed,
Sometimes an aftermarket part has actually been improved over the original and solves a recurring problem, the dumb design of the D4D water pump springs to mind.

That being said, experience will often influence if you should buy the genuine part or if the aftermarket quality is acceptable.

The other thing that most people don't realise is that a dealership makes use of third party experts when it comes to some tricky problems (eg. gearbox, auto electrical, braking systems etc. ) and just add a (sometimes very large) markup to their invoice.
So sometimes it does pay to go to an expert in whichever field straight away.

I mostly only work on trucks so I'm not sure if it holds true for cars, but quite often an agent is cheaper than aftermarket on some things so we always do get a price from them as it is obviously preferable to use a genuine part if possible.
 
Iv worked in the autmotive industry for 10 yrs. These are just my random experiences:

1) OEM - Original Equipement MANUFACTURER. its a well known fact that car companies make a very small percentage of the actual car. every part is made by a supplier to a manufacturing standard (Toyota uses TS16949, Ford uses Q1 etc... all closely tied to ISO 9001 in south africa). This DOES mean they do it at the CHEAPEST possible cost that barely succeeds at the quality control test. On some cars/some occasions, do they exceed this.

2) AFTERMARKET - You can therefore assume that aftermarket DOES NOT mean inferior to OEM in all cases, as OEM is often the cheapest that passes spec. (We had to reduce cost every year for ford, vw, toyota SA by changing materials, going lower specc'ed that just about passes). So you can absolutely get a superior aftermarket part that exeeds spec. Do your homework of course

3) PNA (Parts and accessories) - PNA is often packaged differently to OEM. they produced in lower volumes and typically have a higher cost to produce (so instead of Toyota ordering 5000 parts as with OEM, they might order 50 parts to keep in stock).. this is why they so expensive. add to that a MASSIVE markup. (we did a Yaris badge at a cost of R25 to toyota, in a dealership the same badge cost R250, thats a markup of a 1000%

4) Pirate is that, an aftermarket part pretending to be original. I will rather get a proper aftermarket part.

All that being said. At renault whenver they replace parts. they put the boxes in my boot. So i can see what was used. all OEM. However just know that in SA, when manufactured here, many of your components you can get the non OEM branded version at Midas/Goldwagen etc.... They are identical. there is NO REASON luc will manufacturer 2 slightly different versions of a clutch. And yes. its possible that a dealership might replace your clutch with one from Midas, and its probably fine. If you think it will suddenly do 200 000kms less (assuming your bought a proper one), you probably imagining things.

5) I have identified a few parts im choosing to use aftermarket parts on my car as they upgraded. manufacturers cut costs. you can often get an improved part for less than OEM part. like my cold side boost pipe that fails after 5 yrs. Im replacing it with an Airtec/Ktec one.
 
Willie Trombone said:
My son just got quoted R9k to replace rear wheel bearings on a Honda Jazz at Tygervalley Honda. Got them done at Coch, labour and parts and VAT for half that.
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It's still expensive even at half that, but it's better than R9k.

The jazz has drums at the back and most likely very basic bearing setup. Some spares places even have a press where you just take the drums with, they sell you the bearings and press them in for you.
 
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Some one needs to pay for those fancy showrooms and free coffee, do what I can myself and for the rest the dodgy looking guy down near the bus station does it, he's not spending money on decor that's for sure
 
CUZ_458 said:
Car should not overheat in the 1st place with that little mileage. I know of atleast 2 VW polos that motor was replaced under warranty at around 90k km. VW did not hesitate to replace .Sometimes the aftermarket software the guys install causes this early motor failure .
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Vw and water bottles......
 
airborne said:
What problem do they have there?
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With nearly every one of the broader families VW's ( chico's, golfs, polos, jettas ), when there has been a water bottle issue/failure/crack, there are nearly always problems that result costing a lot to fix or it just never comes right.

Its a relatively cheap part but there's often issues around it. And no, its not a lack of service/maintenance unless its the dealers themselves, many were still being serviced by the dealers at the required intervals.

I won't touch a VW because of it, rather a toyota for mainstream although I really liked the daihatsu build quality of yesteryear ( which toyota purchased and the Rush is a Terrios evolved ).
 
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