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blunomore
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Suicide is when you WANT to leave this earth. Dablakmark's example is when you RISK your life, knowing there is a CHANCE you can die. You do NOT want to die, but are willing to do it to save someone else.
If they think it will do someone a favour then they are seriously deluded.
When your mind overrides reason or logical thoughts then that's insanity, which is a totally different ball game.
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Get a clue Pooky...
it has nothing to do with doing anyone a favour, or being insane...
You have no grasp of the topic you're trying to join into.. so please go away.
it has nothing to do with doing anyone a favour, or being insane...
You have no grasp of the topic you're trying to join into.. so please go away.
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Much the same way as I won't post in a C# programming thread, because I know nothing about it, you, Pooky shouldn't be posting in this thread. You clearly do not have sufficient life experience for any rational human being to consider your opinion on this matter to be worthy of anything more than a horizontal head shake...
Delusion does come into it. As had been stated before, suicide is not typically the result of a rational thought or decision process, particularly in the case of depression. Bear in mind here that clinical depression is a disease, a mental health illness, so while your comment regarding insanity is innacurate, it is at least within the right ball park.
By defintion, a suicide *is* usually a slefish act, but the motiviation is not selfish. Again, as has been stated, the suicide is only considering their own pain, and the personal consequences of their decision, because that is all they are capable of. They lack the perspective to even consider how their actions will impact others, or have a completely skewed perception of that impact - 'they'll be better off without me", "they'll suffer less with me gone", "they don't love me, so they won't miss me", etc, etc, etc.
Completely self-absorbed is perhaps a better description than selfish really.
So far as non-depression related motivations for suicide? Off the top of my head I can think of two, acute shame and desperation, when combined with a lack or failure of coping mechanisms.
The (rare in this country) criminal who kills himself to avoid capture by police for example, or the young girl from a conservative culture who finds herself pregnant.
Also, evidently in Zimbabwe there was a phenomenal increase in geriatric suicides due to the economic collapse - suddenly their pensions couldn't even buy them food, let alone cover any other expenses, with the result that rather than starve, a large number of them commited suicide.
By defintion, a suicide *is* usually a slefish act, but the motiviation is not selfish. Again, as has been stated, the suicide is only considering their own pain, and the personal consequences of their decision, because that is all they are capable of. They lack the perspective to even consider how their actions will impact others, or have a completely skewed perception of that impact - 'they'll be better off without me", "they'll suffer less with me gone", "they don't love me, so they won't miss me", etc, etc, etc.
Completely self-absorbed is perhaps a better description than selfish really.
So far as non-depression related motivations for suicide? Off the top of my head I can think of two, acute shame and desperation, when combined with a lack or failure of coping mechanisms.
The (rare in this country) criminal who kills himself to avoid capture by police for example, or the young girl from a conservative culture who finds herself pregnant.
Also, evidently in Zimbabwe there was a phenomenal increase in geriatric suicides due to the economic collapse - suddenly their pensions couldn't even buy them food, let alone cover any other expenses, with the result that rather than starve, a large number of them commited suicide.
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In that frame of mind YES! Some wise word from a very deluded poster at last, even tho I had to "bold" the only wise words you posted.
So when a person gets a fright or are/live in fear or experience high emotional stress, when in such case your mind overides any logical reason or thought? then you claim the person are insane? Makes me wonder what exactly Shrinks swot for then as everyone can just be commited!
Nice thought tho, could be used as defense when I murder another person again! Tempory insanity!]
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After reading through this thread. I am shocked, disgusted and down right revolted at Pooky's comments. Pooky how dare you make such comments about people, if you had any ounce of emotions in you would understand that people who are depressed see no way out.
They do not wake up one morning and think today I am going to kill myself. You have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you shut the hell up and keep your grade 1 comments to yourself.
If that post gets me into trouble so be it, I have experienced all sorts of things in my life. I will not be called a coward etc by Pooky.
They do not wake up one morning and think today I am going to kill myself. You have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you shut the hell up and keep your grade 1 comments to yourself.
If that post gets me into trouble so be it, I have experienced all sorts of things in my life. I will not be called a coward etc by Pooky.
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I had the exact same question a few weeks ago, go dig up my post about it. i think some people replied with very thoughtful answers
I'm really sorry to hear about your sis.
And while i understand what you mean when you say she wasn't depressed in a way i feel she still perhaps was. By her not being able to see a future past the situation she encountered she was probably sad and felt incapable of moving on from what she experienced. That is in a way a depression IMO. I mean no disrespect though.
Thought i'd google the proper definition of Depression.
Depression is a common mental disorder that presents with depressed mood, loss of interest or pleasure, feelings of guilt or low self-worth, disturbed sleep or appetite, low energy, and poor concentration. These problems can become chronic or recurrent and lead to substantial impairments in an individual's ability to take care of his or her everyday responsibilities. At its worst, depression can lead to suicide, a tragic fatality associated with the loss of about 850 000 thousand lives every year.
Depression is the leading cause of disability as measured by YLDs and the 4th leading contributor to the global burden of disease (DALYs) in 2000. By the year 2020, depression is projected to reach 2nd place of the ranking of DALYs calcuated for all ages, both sexes. Today, depression is already the 2nd cause of DALYs in the age category 15-44 years for both sexes combined.
Depression is a common mental disorder that presents with depressed mood, loss of interest or pleasure, feelings of guilt or low self-worth, disturbed sleep or appetite, low energy, and poor concentration. These problems can become chronic or recurrent and lead to substantial impairments in an individual's ability to take care of his or her everyday responsibilities. At its worst, depression can lead to suicide, a tragic fatality associated with the loss of about 850 000 thousand lives every year.
Depression is the leading cause of disability as measured by YLDs and the 4th leading contributor to the global burden of disease (DALYs) in 2000. By the year 2020, depression is projected to reach 2nd place of the ranking of DALYs calcuated for all ages, both sexes. Today, depression is already the 2nd cause of DALYs in the age category 15-44 years for both sexes combined.
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Isn't this where we started?
When chronic anguish & depression is so overpowering that it cannot be overcome and the only solution (to end the pain and anguish/suffering) is suicide.
Suicide is often the last solution an individual resorts to when they cannot take it anymore, when emotional suffering and depression has reached the point where it blots out everything else, narrowing and narrowing down to a last attempt to be free from being in a state of extreme emotional hell.
Do not think suicides are cowardly, the opposite is often true.
Individuals have different threshholds regarding the amount of anguish they can deal with, additionally the depressed anguished individual's body starts malfunctioning when a constant high level of depression is maintained, flooding the body with neurochemicals which then prevent that individual from seeing any hope or other way out.
Suicide is often the last solution an individual resorts to when they cannot take it anymore, when emotional suffering and depression has reached the point where it blots out everything else, narrowing and narrowing down to a last attempt to be free from being in a state of extreme emotional hell.
Do not think suicides are cowardly, the opposite is often true.
Individuals have different threshholds regarding the amount of anguish they can deal with, additionally the depressed anguished individual's body starts malfunctioning when a constant high level of depression is maintained, flooding the body with neurochemicals which then prevent that individual from seeing any hope or other way out.
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DJK, sorry to hear about your sis. That is tragic and must be unbearable to come to terms with.
I wonder if we as South Africans are more prone to falling into this abyss of depression with our current political situation and crime levels, not to mention the economic crisis. I say this because I often feel so angry about where our country could be headed but most of all I feel powerless. Having nightmares about killing intruders invading one's home cannot be good for the psyche. I know this could be seen as simply having a negative attitude but does the desire to have peace of mind warrant a head-in-the-sand attitude?
I don't know...some days are better than others in that regard, I guess.
That aside, my experience with depression lies in two parts. There are times when I've been depressed because of something or a combination of things. This is easier to deal with because you know where the source lies and you may have an avenue in tackling the problem/s. I'm not saying it's a walk in the park because if that were the case then we'd never get to depression and often it's a case of running away from our problems that causes the whole thing to snowball. The real cruncher for me was a time when I was younger and felt most depressed. The worst part is that I didn't know why I was depressed. So many times I tried to isolate the problem and deal with it but couldn't. It was as though being in that place created so much noise in the mind that it required somebody else's perspective to shed some light on the matter. Getting some external help is something I never did and I'm not really sure how I got through it. Maybe in my case it was mild at best compared with some of what's been described in this thread.
I wonder if we as South Africans are more prone to falling into this abyss of depression with our current political situation and crime levels, not to mention the economic crisis. I say this because I often feel so angry about where our country could be headed but most of all I feel powerless. Having nightmares about killing intruders invading one's home cannot be good for the psyche. I know this could be seen as simply having a negative attitude but does the desire to have peace of mind warrant a head-in-the-sand attitude?
I don't know...some days are better than others in that regard, I guess.
That aside, my experience with depression lies in two parts. There are times when I've been depressed because of something or a combination of things. This is easier to deal with because you know where the source lies and you may have an avenue in tackling the problem/s. I'm not saying it's a walk in the park because if that were the case then we'd never get to depression and often it's a case of running away from our problems that causes the whole thing to snowball. The real cruncher for me was a time when I was younger and felt most depressed. The worst part is that I didn't know why I was depressed. So many times I tried to isolate the problem and deal with it but couldn't. It was as though being in that place created so much noise in the mind that it required somebody else's perspective to shed some light on the matter. Getting some external help is something I never did and I'm not really sure how I got through it. Maybe in my case it was mild at best compared with some of what's been described in this thread.