Suicide.....

[Mila]

I wonder if we as South Africans are more prone to falling into this abyss of depression with our current political situation and crime levels, not to mention the economic crisis. I say this because I often feel so angry about where our country could be headed but most of all I feel powerless. Having nightmares about killing intruders invading one's home cannot be good for the psyche..[/QUOTE]

I thought i was the only one this happened too..


But i agree. My blue days are more these days, at least twice a week.

 

[DJ...]

I mean no disrespect though.

None taken at all, no worries...

That is tragic and must be unbearable to come to terms with.

Tragic, yes. Unbearable, no. I learnt from her ordeal instead of falling into the same trap - I immediately starting talking about it, as difficult as that was to do. Hence why I have no qualms mentioning it (in the hope that the more sensible forumites reply, well, sensibly as you've done). The only way to deal with such an issue is imo to address it within yourself at first, which means forcing yourself to feel comfortable talking about it...

 

[Juggy]

I have no sympathy or empathy or anything along the lines of kindness for people who kill themselves. They are just being pathetic cowards.

How about suffering from Diabetes and having to inject yourself 3 times a day just to live normally. Then have your circulation be so bad that you toes start going black and dying and you need to have them amputated. Then half your feet and you're bound to a wheelchair. Then you get told your feet are going to be amputated as well so you decide that's more than you can handle so you decide to OD on insulin and tablets. None of your friends think you were a coward because they saw your suffereing and understood.

Now considering going through that as one of that persons closest friends and tell me how you feel.

This happened to a dear friend of mine in October last year and we're all just happy that his suffering is over and he is definitely in a better place.

 

[Alan]

How about suffering from Diabetes and having to inject yourself 3 times a day just to live normally. Then have you circulation be so bad that you toes start going black and dying and you need to have them amputated. The half your feet and you're bound to a wheelchair. Then you get told your feet are going to be amputated as well so you decide that's more than you can handle so you decide to OD on insulin and tablets. None of your friends think you were a coward because they saw your suffereing and understood.

Now considering going through that as one of that persons closest friends and tell me how you feel.

This happened to a dear friend of mine in October last year and we're all just happy that his suffering is over.

That's horrific.

Oddly enough even at the height of my illness I never once seriously considered suicide.

 

[Serqet]

When i was in hospital there was a girl who had been admitted after attempting suicide. She had been diagnosed with unknown seizures the week before. I overheard them saying she had been suffering with these seizures for months and nobody could tell her what was wrong with her or fix her so she had had enough. I can imagine you must feel completely hopeless when even the professionals can't fix you.

 

[Juggy]

That's horrific.

Oddly enough even at the height of my illness I never once seriously considered suicide.

As was said right at the beginning of this thread. Different people react in different ways. Are you also Diabetic?

 

[Alan]

As was said right at the beginning of this thread. Different people react in different ways. Are you also Diabetic?

No I had a virus of some sort. Pretty much bedridden for ages. I can sympathies with what your friend went through and it's perfectly understandable him wanting to end his suffering. If I had to deal with amputations I too might have had a change of outlook. Yet I had a deep determination not to die. To me dying was worse than suffering. Admittedly I had great emotional support around me to help me thorough the worst.

 

[Juggy]

No I had a virus of some sort. Pretty much bedridden for ages. I can sympathies with what your friend went through and it's perfectly understandable him wanting to end his suffering. If I had to deal with amputations I too might have had a change of outlook. Yet I had a deep determination not to die. To me dying was worse than suffering. Admittedly I had great emotional support around me to help me thorough the worst.

Good for you, I'm glad to hear that you got through your ordeal. So many don't.

 

[-toady-]

If you kill yourself, you're not the one that's hurt. Everyone around you is and you screw up other people's lives by killing yourself. It's selfish, full stop.

(I posted this sick face last night at about 7.30pm. I find tonight that it's been removed. It may not have been the most erudite of replies but said how I felt, so to whoever removed it, get a life.... *waves to the Balliram dude)

 

[scotty777]

(I posted this sick face last night at about 7.30pm. I find tonight that it's been removed. It may not have been the most erudite of replies but said how I felt, so to whoever removed it, get a life.... *waves to the Balliram dude)

they removed all posts linked to that disgusting post that pooky posted... I think that's fair don't you? I mean what pooky said was really over the limit and the mods just had to step in hey

 

[Morgoth]

interesting to hear that a lot of us have dealt with depression or family members/friends with the same thing, but how would one know that you yourself have undiagnosed depression? apart from going to a doctor- in most cases Gp's probably wont pick it up.

 

[Voicy]

I don't think that it's the "small things" that drive people to suicide.........

You'd be surprised.

Having one large crisis in one's life is a visible sign of having problems and a need / drive to overcome it - looking forward to the day you do.

Having small pieces of every aspect of your life consume you will have a smothering effect on you as you have no effective "safe" zone. It would be the equivalent of death-by-a-thousand-cuts. No individual cut is the cause for the suicide, just as no single drop in the ocean is to blame for a tsunami.

I believe that it is also a large part of the reason why people often don't see the warning signs and end up saying "But I would never have thought of him to be suicidal, he seemed so happy". - I know I did.

I've lost 2 good friends to suicides, I just wish I could've been a better friend when it mattered.

 

[-toady-]

they removed all posts linked to that disgusting post that pooky posted... I think that's fair don't you? I mean what pooky said was really over the limit and the mods just had to step in hey

Kind of you to clarify that scotty thanks..... and agreed...

 

[<moLe>]

to me the scariest thing is this whole new generation (emo's) that seem to glorify the idea of depression and self mutilation...not say all emo's are bad, just have to wonder what is the root cause?

 

[Alan]

to me the scariest thing is this whole new generation (emo's) that seem to glorify the idea of depression and self mutilation...not say all emo's are bad, just have to wonder what is the root cause?

Bad parenting?

 

[CathJ]

Bad parenting?

Stress? The modern world is a very stressful place, particularly for teenagers.

Also, I don't know if they glorify depression and self-mutilation; it's more of a coping mechanism. A bad one, but still a way of coping with the issues in their life.

 

[wrathex]

Stress? The modern world is a very stressful place, particularly for teenagers.

Also, I don't know if they glorify depression and self-mutilation; it's more of a coping mechanism. A bad one, but still a way of coping with the issues in their life.

I agree, it's a coping mechanism and a cry for attention.

Today the youth are often raised by a third party, with both parents working.

Parents get home from work, tired, watch tv/internet and are too happy when their children don't demand extra attention by remaining occupied with activities like tv/gaming/internet.

Slowly the depression sets in, because many parents fail to realise that their children would have liked to talk about things, would have liked to do activities, would have liked a closer more caring bond.

By the time the child hits the teenage years, it is too late,
the child has created a cordon and has developed their own
coping methods and mindset.

Emo's are simply emotionally sensitive individuals who prefer a closer bond with others, and almost all the emo's I've met, had disinterested dads or parents of which one was an alcoholic, cheater and druguser.

 

[<moLe>]

I agree, it's a coping mechanism and a cry for attention.

Today the youth are often raised by a third party, with both parents working.

Parents get home from work, tired, watch tv/internet and are too happy when their children don't demand extra attention by remaining occupied with activities like tv/gaming/internet.

Slowly the depression sets in, because many parents fail to realise that their children would have liked to talk about things, would have liked to do activities, would have liked a closer more caring bond.

By the time the child hits the teenage years, it is too late,
the child has created a cordon and has developed their own
coping methods and mindset.

Emo's are simply emotionally sensitive individuals who prefer a closer bond with others, and almost all the emo's I've met, had disinterested dads or parents of which one was an alcoholic, cheater and druguser.

Makes sense I suppose...

 

[Alan]

Stress? The modern world is a very stressful place, particularly for teenagers.

Also, I don't know if they glorify depression and self-mutilation; it's more of a coping mechanism. A bad one, but still a way of coping with the issues in their life.

Stress? Try Zimbabwe for stress. Most emos are comfortable middle class kids. What is there to be so stressed about apart from a lack of emotional support from their parents

 

[<moLe>]

Stress? Try Zimbabwe for stress. Most emos are comfortable middle class kids. What is there to be so stressed about apart from a lack of emotional support from their parents

True, people that "actually suffer" tend to toughen up, I reckon maybe the root of the problem may lay at the fact that kids are raised these days with the idea that "boys may cry aswell" etc etc..as were we were raised with tough love,hidings and boys dont cry? thus leaving a "sulking culture?"