Sunette Bridges facebook hate speech case

Nerfherder said:
I think we have to separate what we have made and what we have taken for ourselves.

My grandfather was the same age when apartheid started as I was when apartheid ended. He was poor and got very little education.
At the time he was doing the work black people did, living at the same level as a lot of black people. Apartheid helped him to the next level and did benefit him as he was no longer competing with black people for work.
His kids all went to good schools and even though none of then went to university they all got good jobs and were able to provide for them now.
Even so... the next generation (me) all got university degrees and the financial aid we needed to set up a good future.

That kind of privilege can't be taken away. So people need to get over that.... that is what we did with the hand that we were dealt, other did worse and others did better.
I refuse to feel bad for having this.

Other kinds of privilege can and should be taken away (exclusivity, exclusion etc)
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My dad is almost 66 years old, and works on a mine, with his hands. He earns about a 3rd of what I do. I don't have a university degree because my parents didn't have money for it. Took a chance with programming course in COBOL (which costed less than a R1000) that finds you a job afterwards, and that's where I started. Where's the privilege in that?
 
Nerfherder said:
I said the same in my other response now.

But the reality is that if you took every cent that I have and my house, car and job.... I could move somewhere else, start again and very quickly live a similar or better life.

That's real privilege The way I got it was unfair and no one can really change that. Taking that privilege away from my kids will also be hard and also it does not really fix things either.
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see my previous response and compare it to your privilege you admitted to.
 
faniedry said:
Crime is linked to where you decide to be. Wealth will come eventually, as the stats show that household incomes are on the increase big time. Education, you can't deny that education have greatly been improved.
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People can't just all decide where they want to be, unfortunately. And part of having more wealthy already available is an increased chance of being able to leave an area if it's crappy or affected by crime, and you have more resources for safety measures. Poorer people don't have this.

And yes, increases are quite big so far, because it's off a low base. Same as many African countries having huge GDP growth rates because they're coming off a very low base.

faniedry said:
From one of your articles:
The point of whites turning to entrepreneurship can be further reinforced by data that suggests that, while a black university graduate is more likely than a white graduate to find a job within 12 months of graduation, white graduates are four times more likely to start and operate businesses.
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Yeah, but at the same time unemployment among white graduates is a lot lower than for black graduates.

Also, this is important:

"With increasing levels of education, high levels of entrepreneurship, and low levels of unemployment, it must follow that white poverty levels are low. South Africa has no official poverty line.

We therefore take a monthly household-income level of less than R5 000 as a benchmark of relative poverty. Using this benchmark, the proportion of white South Africans living in poverty declined from approximately 2% in 1994 to less than 1% in 2012.

The figures for black South Africans were significantly higher, having declined from about 50% in 1994 to 45% by 2012."

And people that have wealth and formal work experience are of course more capable of opening their own businesses.

faniedry said:
Don't agree with that use of the word privileged. Not saying you are wrong, I might be, just not how I am hearing it when you are saying it :)

But my situation is more privileged because of legacy. And people of colour and the government must realize that it will take time for generations to come to be in the same situation.
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They do realise that, and say it repeatedly. It's usually white people that moan about it not being fast enough for their liking, usually when moaning about AA/BEE.

Why don't you agree with the word? Apartheid favoured white people and afforded them certain privileges that elevated them above other racial groups. The legacy of that is still with us, and that includes the fruits of that privilege.
 
Sherbang said:
Here is an analogy (in the USA):

http://qz.com/257474/what-riding-my-bike-has-taught-me-about-white-privilege/
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Lol, another attempt at wanting the white guy to feel bad. This never works. So what if I grew up in a middle class and others had to grow up in shacks. Some of those people growing up in shacks are 10x more successful today than I will ever be. I can't be arsed what you think nor will I ever feel guilty. I got where I am because of hard work and so too did others growing up in shacks. The only people throwing around this White privilege crap are the entitlement crew. Too damn lazy to work for what they want in life. Just want everything handed to them. The dropping in the pass rates are a clear indication of this.

Whine all you want crying about my white privilege I will just sit back and laugh at your sense of entitlement :p
 
Fudzy said:
Leaving work @ 15:30 = White privilege
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at home, ducted air conditioning running, about to hop into air conditioned range rover to drive down to la perla for a bite to eat and a few drinks - not sure what to eat tho

#WhitePrivilege
#1stWorldproblems
 
Pitbull said:
Lol, another attempt at wanting the white guy to feel bad. This never works. So what if I grew up in a middle class and others had to grow up in shacks. Some of those people growing up in shacks are 10x more successful today than I will ever be. I can't be arsed what you think nor will I ever feel guilty. I got where I am because of hard work and so too did others growing up in shacks. The only people throwing around this White privilege crap are the entitlement crew. Too damn lazy to work for what they want in life. Just want everything handed to them. The dropping in the pass rates are a clear indication of this.

Whine all you want crying about my white privilege I will just sit back and laugh at your sense of entitlement :p
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Well it was written by a white guy so I don't understand your statement "Whine all you want crying about my white privilege I will just sit back and laugh at your sense of entitlement". Also he specifically said

"But privilege talk is not intended to make a moral assessment or a moral claim about the privileged at all. It is about systemic imbalance. It is about injustices that have arisen because of the history of racism that birthed the way things are now. It’s not saying, “You’re a bad person because you’re white.” It’s saying, “The system is skewed in ways that you maybe haven’t realized or had to think about precisely because it’s skewed in your favor.”

So I think your assessment is incorrect.
 
Sherbang said:
Well it was written by a white guy so I don't understand your statement "Whine all you want crying about my white privilege I will just sit back and laugh at your sense of entitlement". Also he specifically said

"But privilege talk is not intended to make a moral assessment or a moral claim about the privileged at all. It is about systemic imbalance. It is about injustices that have arisen because of the history of racism that birthed the way things are now. It’s not saying, “You’re a bad person because you’re white.” It’s saying, “The system is skewed in ways that you maybe haven’t realized or had to think about precisely because it’s skewed in your favor.”

So I think your assessment is incorrect.
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Hold up, you posted that originally I just gave my 2c's. again, you can cry all you want. I'm pretty successful and because of my hard work I can pay for a good education for my kids. In 30 years this same old whining will be going on from lazy people with a sense of entitlement. I can't be arsed.
 
Pitbull said:
Hold up, you posted that originally I just gave my 2c's. again, you can cry all you want. I'm pretty successful and because of my hard work I can pay for a good education for my kids. In 30 years this same old whining will be going on from lazy people with a sense of entitlement. I can't be arsed.
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Nobody is crying (except you) and it's only those already entitled (that's you) who moan and cry about the 'sense of entitlement' other people have. Nobody is saying you don't work hard or anything like that so try actually reading the piece before knee jerk reactions.
 
Sherbang said:
Nobody is crying (except you) and it's only those already entitled (that's you) who moan and cry about the 'sense of entitlement' other people have. Nobody is saying you don't work hard or anything like that so try actually reading the piece before knee jerk reactions.
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Yea ofc :D...

You're hilarious :D
 
Sherbang said:
Nobody is crying (except you) and it's only those already entitled (that's you) who moan and cry about the 'sense of entitlement' other people have. Nobody is saying you don't work hard or anything like that so try actually reading the piece before knee jerk reactions.
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What does this have to do with Sunette Bridges?
 
Pitbull said:
Lol, another attempt at wanting the white guy to feel bad. This never works. So what if I grew up in a middle class and others had to grow up in shacks. Some of those people growing up in shacks are 10x more successful today than I will ever be. I can't be arsed what you think nor will I ever feel guilty. I got where I am because of hard work and so too did others growing up in shacks. The only people throwing around this White privilege crap are the entitlement crew. Too damn lazy to work for what they want in life. Just want everything handed to them. The dropping in the pass rates are a clear indication of this.

Whine all you want crying about my white privilege I will just sit back and laugh at your sense of entitlement :p
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When i relocated to SA from India it was Aparthied. I worked hard and even went above the whites in job/education etc.
So no, apartheid is not an excuse for failure. It ended 20 years ago and thats a generation ago.
 
grantza said:
at home, ducted air conditioning running, about to hop into air conditioned range rover to drive down to la perla for a bite to eat and a few drinks - not sure what to eat tho

#WhitePrivilege
#1stWorldproblems
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# jealous
 
oh really, why give stupid the time of day and both these 2 fall in the same category. stupid.
 
Sherbang said:
Well it was written by a white guy so I don't understand your statement "Whine all you want crying about my white privilege I will just sit back and laugh at your sense of entitlement". Also he specifically said

"But privilege talk is not intended to make a moral assessment or a moral claim about the privileged at all. It is about systemic imbalance. It is about injustices that have arisen because of the history of racism that birthed the way things are now. It’s not saying, “You’re a bad person because you’re white.” It’s saying, “The system is skewed in ways that you maybe haven’t realized or had to think about precisely because it’s skewed in your favor.”

So I think your assessment is incorrect.
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You see this I don't agree with. The system is not skewed in my favour. It was, and hence the position some whites are in. The system, how it currently is, is skewed towards blacks, which is needed to bring back balance.

But when does things like AA and BEE go to far? Or rather, when should it stop? When is the call made to say "ok, that's enough, back to equal footing for everyone"?
 
faniedry said:
You see this I don't agree with. The system is not skewed in my favour. It was, and hence the position some whites are in. The system, how it currently is, is skewed towards blacks, which is needed to bring back balance.

But when does things like AA and BEE go to far? Or rather, when should it stop? When is the call made to say "ok, that's enough, back to equal footing for everyone"?
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perhaps when we are not the most unequal society in the world
 
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