'Switch off your lights'

Syndyre said:
Then go for nuclear, no CO2 emissions to worry about.
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i think nuclear is the way of the future, i know it makes radioactive waste but if stored well, nuclear is alot better than the other. lol i even saw a artical on bbc a few years back how they blame wind farms for killing birds of prey, so everyone has a problem with something.
 
Robin Hood said:
Uh??...You want the guys to blow themselves up?...lol
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I guess I should qualify it with well run and well maintained then. :)

Scooby_Doo said:
i think nuclear is the way of the future, i know it makes radioactive waste but if stored well, nuclear is alot better than the other. lol i even saw a artical on bbc a few years back how they blame wind farms for killing birds of prey, so everyone has a problem with something.
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I do too, can't see another viable option.
 
"We are viewing the next two years as being critical. It is also critical to stress that the growth of South Africa's economy at the current healthy levels can continue if we change our behaviour and become more energy efficient".

Erwin added government had to share the blame for the current crisis, saying the country was becoming a victim of its own success with electricity demand growing faster than expected.
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:mad: why must guavamint share the blame - why doesn't guavamint accept 100% of the blame for the royal stuffup it has created?

The only way I can see guavamentalists becoming more energy efficient, is if guavamentalists are force-fed nothing other than baked beans at one of Afrox's Methane production plants, lobotomy optional - most guavamentalists don't need it since they are already brain dead.
 
Scooby_Doo said:
i think nuclear is the way of the future, i know it makes radioactive waste but if stored well, nuclear is alot better than the other. lol i even saw a artical on bbc a few years back how they blame wind farms for killing birds of prey, so everyone has a problem with something.
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LOL! I also saw a petition in the UK to make it illegal to drive with your lights on in the daytime .. 'Generates unnecessary co2 emissions' :D

but on a serious note, there are mine shafts over 2km deep! and water has to be pumped down to the bottom.. why not make a Hydro turbine and use the energy from the water falling...

The thermal activity in the ground at deep levels is also common... so use that energy..

There are many ways... just find the one that suits.
 
I wont be turning off the 4 15w energy savers (with auto/daynight switches) I use outside for security.

All the other lights are energy saver and turned off. All the PCs are turned off now when I go to work, except the screenless, old hardware, file server...

Only other thing I can think of is solar geysers, but got a quote for R16 000 (and that was with the subsidy that eskom had then) and thats simply too much...
 
VJB 449 said:
I say switch on everything until somebody gets fired.
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Yup.

Let us see:

You use 1000KW now.
Turn on EVERYTHING.
You now use 3000KW a month.
Quotas arrive - you are told to "save" 20%
thats 600KW a month.

NO PROBLEM! Turn off a lot of stuff, use the 1000KW you always used before.
Thats 1000KW use, with a "quota" of 2400KW.

Get rewarded with CASH BACK for the 1400KW you did not use! (2400-1000).

W000t!
 
Moederloos said:
Yup.

Let us see:

You use 1000KW now.
Turn on EVERYTHING.
You now use 3000KW a month.
Quotas arrive - you are told to "save" 20%
thats 600KW a month.

NO PROBLEM! Turn off a lot of stuff, use the 1000KW you always used before.
Thats 1000KW use, with a "quota" of 2400KW.

Get rewarded with CASH BACK for the 1400KW you did not use! (2400-1000).

W000t!
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That's my theory too. :D
 
We can make a little verse:

"Stuff Eskom and let them pay,
so switch on everything every day!!"
:cool:
 
killadoob said:
guys is turning your lights off when u not using them really that bad?

i mean wtf do ppl leave lights on they are not using?

its pretty simple and although we pay for the power we use if this will ease the power cuits then stop moaning about it

its at the point where us as south africans need to look at how we use our power
yes we should not have to, but when your lights go out for 3 hours everyday it might make you think:

ok im not using my computer right now maybe i should power down, the bathroom light has been on all day so let me turn it off because im not using the bathroom

does my tv have to be on when i go to the shop? does my dstv decoder need to on all day when im at work?

my vcr/dvd player, does this need to on all week when i watch dvd's once a week

its time to stop the moaning and start looking at how we use power so we can help and possibly stop the outages or make them once a week

i wish instead of all the threads moaning, there would be more threads on how to save power and what to do and maybe a thread on how we as a community can help the situation

gregg so now the power company should shut off the poor ppl who cannot afford even food so we can have all our appliances on all day?

yea lets screw the poor so we dont have to turn off or watch how we use power

nice
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killadoob, I think you have the story at the wrong end of the stick. What do you do about:
  • servers
  • electric fences
  • alarms
  • CCTV
  • pool pumps

My folks have their Medical practice @ home, which means they need to have CCTV working. They also needs lights burning in the procedure room, which doesn't have windows. They also run medical machinery & PC's / fax machines / etc all day long. IF they don't, they need to close down & beg on the streets for money. Do you know / realize how this affects them, and thousands of other businesses, who simply can't afford a R50k generator (which costs about R20 - R30 per hour to run in anycase), not can they afford to SAVE ELECETRICY, which they're paying for already?

Do you know what it does to my online business if I were to shut-off my PC's, hub, routers & servers?

Have you seen what happened to the mines, which have thousands of lights running DAY & NIGHT, in order to mine precious minirals out of the dark earth, where there is no light?

Please, don't tell people to use less electricity if their work depends on it.
 
Moederloos said:
Yup.

Let us see:

You use 1000KW now.
Turn on EVERYTHING.
You now use 3000KW a month.
Quotas arrive - you are told to "save" 20%
thats 600KW a month.

NO PROBLEM! Turn off a lot of stuff, use the 1000KW you always used before.
Thats 1000KW use, with a "quota" of 2400KW.

Get rewarded with CASH BACK for the 1400KW you did not use! (2400-1000).

W000t!
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This is a good theory. However, it requires that they actually read the meters. Since they have just read mine for the first time in 2 years ( haven't got the latest bill yet ), I am not optimistic about them meeting this requirement. More likely they will want me to cut 20% off their "estimate" based on usage 2 years ago. Maybe they can use unemployed mineworkers to read meters.
 
Turtle said:
If you already are (like me too - have basically for years in fact) then probably you won't have to worry about these rations. It'll hit these people who keep insisting on sitting with their aircons all day etc. and continuing to use as much as they want, and who are too lazy to change incandescents with CFLs etc.

What I'm wondering though is how are they going to calculate the ration? Based on each individual's past usage? If so, I'll be screwed BECAUSE I've already optimised my electricity usage (and if I get one more employee now, or one more rentor etc., my usage will go up. Will everyone get the ration, or only those above a certain usage? Will it be based on the size of what you live in? How many people live in the house? How many bedrooms? Will each unit in a townhouse complex get the same limit? The administration will be a nightmare to figure out "fairly", so they'll have to impose some blanket limits that will surely not be fair.
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Apparently, they're going to look at your average usage over 2007.

Which just causes even bigger problems. What if your meter readings were mostly estimated in 2007? What if you moved houses - is usage tracked by person, or by house? What about rentals - if the person in the house I'm renting used less electricity than I do, should I be held to their average?

Plus all those very questions above...

I'd hope that there's still a minimum allowance so that those who are pretty much as efficient as they can be already, aren't expected to cut down even further. But I don't know if they've thought that far.
 
Cathryn said:
Apparently, they're going to look at your average usage over 2007.

Which just causes even bigger problems. What if your meter readings were mostly estimated in 2007? What if you moved houses - is usage tracked by person, or by house? What about rentals - if the person in the house I'm renting used less electricity than I do, should I be held to their average?

Plus all those very questions above...

I'd hope that there's still a minimum allowance so that those who are pretty much as efficient as they can be already, aren't expected to cut down even further. But I don't know if they've thought that far.
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What about people, who, at the end of 2007:
had a baby
installed pools
built on
opened home offices
added a "cottage"
installed additional security measures


I have been saying this a lot recently:
FU ESKOM
FU ANC
 
Cathryn said:
But I don't know if they've thought that far.
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Eskom is blessed with huge amounts of foresight.:(

Judging by the way things are going atm, the quota thing is going to be a half-baked plan with serious flaws and loads of BEE clauses.

If they do use averages, then this country is lost. Rewarding the biggest wasters of power with big quotas. wtf? :sick:
 
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