Telkom attacks CCC authority, ADSL Regulations

[Debbie]

'non-compliance', 'contravention', 'offence'...
These are all synonyms in this context as far as I'm concerned.

Translation:

Maritz: But teh Actz don't stipulates that non-complianz is wrong or right and teh act dont say what penalty will be."

Judge: "Uhm, 'non-compliance' means 'contravention', dumbass."

Maritz: "Oh, ok then, so... do you maybe know what does cap mean?"

Correct but slightly off-track- the regulations were constructed under the Telecommunications Act 1996 and not the Electronic Communications Act 2005.

 

[Ivork]

ICASA are simply too chicken sh*t to simply say "local bandwith must be FREE!"

"Local bandwith must not be subject to a cap" - what a joke! no wonder the lawyers tore that to shreds!

Telkom contracted to provide to the complainant is a telecommunications access service. It may be used to access a network or the Internet…”

Heh? WTF? what network vs internet? Would that mean VPN traffic does not count? What is this F*U*Ker talking about? I thaught it was bandwidth in general?

Whooohoooo! Strait vpn pipe to buddie in the UK, block rest of outgoing ports on router, and use his uncapped account to my hearts content for internet then!!!

 

[ldmelsa]

Top executive positions at Telkom are filled by acting executives.

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Telkom trying to maximize profits at all costs for as long as possible.

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Some thing's up.
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[the_lobe]

We all knew this was coming.

*sigh*.

 

[Ivork]

Correct but slightly off-track- the regulations were constructed under the Telecommunications Act 1996 and not the Electronic Communications Act 2005.

Debbie, you might be onto something, but i'm missing the plot here.....what are you saying exactly?

 

[Debbie]

Debbie, you might be onto something, but i'm missing the plot here.....what are you saying exactly?

Sharp Ivork, I wish I could recall what the consequence of this was... but with all the legal mumbo jumbo that went on I can't seem to put it all together. Sorry.

 

[mooK]

wtf...

 

[Debbie]

wtf...

I will hand it to you for interpretation once the transcripts are available (...snigger....).

 

[kevinswan007]

how can telkom say they will allow unlimited local cap after international cap has been reached by paying per usage. paying for local bandwidth is not uncapped. with their logic, then international is uncapped as well, because you can surf for as long as you want, as long as you pay for it.

am I wrong?

 

[Debbie]

how can telkom say they will allow unlimited local cap after international cap has been reached by paying per usage. paying for local bandwidth is not uncapped. with their logic, then international is uncapped as well, because you can surf for as long as you want, as long as you pay for it.

am I wrong?

No, but there is enough room for wiggle space and alternative and probably equally valid legal interpretations.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

this

this

this

this​

just to make things harder

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

how can telkom say they will allow unlimited local cap after international cap has been reached by paying per usage. paying for local bandwidth is not uncapped. with their logic, then international is uncapped as well, because you can surf for as long as you want, as long as you pay for it.

am I wrong?

Well in TelkomISP's case you can't have your international on pay per use, you have to buy an additional account everytime, with a new cap. So by their new definition of uncapped you would be wrong.

Some other ISP's allow this though.. it's all too vauge now, no hope unless the regualtions are re-written very cleary. Which will still take at least a year or two to get everything past Telkom.

EDIT: Hahaha, ja and ICASA should be sure to scatter the new regulations with "this".

 

[kevinswan007]

then perhaps we are wasting our time sending e-mails to ICASA. we should instead get someone higher up in the food chain, a wake up call.

dont we have a minister of telecommunications or something?
doesnt she have clout? or is she sitting in her triple story luxury apartment making pup?

 

[Debbie]

then perhaps we are wasting our time sending e-mails to ICASA. we should instead get someone higher up in the food chain, a wake up call.

dont we have a minister of telecommunications or something?
doesnt she have clout? or is she sitting in her triple story luxury apartment making pup?

You're new, aren't you
Yes we have a minister with clout - unfortunately her clout is for the other team as she is charged with protecting state assets and maximising the share value of Telkom, in which the government holds 54% and controls 6/10 board votes, as well as holding the A share (which confers special rights and privileges on the holder).

So yes we have a minister of communications, her name is Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri, but we like to call her Poison Ivy.

 

[kevinswan007]

A government, for protecting business only, is but a carcass, and soon falls by its own corruption and decay.

Amos Bronson Alcott

Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

Thomas Jefferson

 

[Tanarri]

'non-compliance', 'contravention', 'offence'...
These are all synonyms in this context as far as I'm concerned.

Translation:

Maritz: But teh Actz don't stipulates that non-complianz is wrong or right and teh act dont say what penalty will be."

Judge: "Uhm, 'non-compliance' means 'contravention', dumbass."

Maritz: "Oh, ok then, so... do you maybe know what does cap mean?"

Brilliant.


It doesn't take a f***** genius to figure that out. For the love of............ why are these things so difficult.

Uncapped: You are provided with a service:512 kb ADSL uncapped (infinity ZAR - fact). Provided that the line is unshaped, it should be possible to download (or anything else for that matter) 171417600 kB of data in a month of 31 days. A more practical situation for a truly uncapped line would be say 80% of that.

Capped: You are provided with a service: 512 kb ADSL capped 3 GB (300 ZAR - example). You can use 3 GB of data with a speed of 512 kb. Then, once 3 GB has been used, another set of proposed rules apply, which no longer means: 512 kb ADSL (300 ZAR - example).

Really simple. And Maritz please go and push a dictionary up your arse because it's definately smarter than your head.

 

[ShaunSA]

Really simple. And Maritz please go and push a dictionary up your arse because it's definately smarter than your head.

I regret to inform you that Mr Maritz is unable to accede to your request as you failed to specify the size of the dictionary to be utilised.

 

[ld13]

I regret to inform you that Mr Maritz is unable to accede to your request as you failed to specify the size of the dictionary to be utilised.

...and Type of dictionary.
But what is the defenition of a dictionary? Or maybe you mean the dictionary? Or maybe even this dictionary?

 

[Sandman30s]

This is a typical case of a lawyer making himself richer... at the expense of the very future of the country he lives in. Greedy bloodsucking shortsighted pig.

"What is the difference between a dead dog and a dead lawyer on the road?"
"There are screech marks in front of the dog."

 

[ic]

Just read the article, and while I am shocked at Telkodemonopolies' legal wrangling, I sadly have to agree with Telkodemonopolies: the mere fact that Telkodemonopolies is able to launch such a legal attack against !CASA's ADSL Regulations and get away with it, proves that !CASA's ADSL Regulations are ****e and not worth the paper they were gazetted on, i.e. Telkodemonopolies is getting as much mileage as it can get from !CASA's ongoing incometence and lack of independence from guavamentals Poison Ivy & Stalin-Mafole. Although I commend !CASA's CCC committee and all consumers involved in their efforts which have brought to light the problems with !CASA's ADSL Regulations.

The only solution, is a complete and unambiguous rewrite of !CASA's ADSL Regulations - preferably by someone with considerable legal experience & authority - maybe the correct person to spearhead that effort is retired Judge De Villiers...