The Islamic State Thread

Iranian regime uses ISIL to preserve Syria interests: analysts
2014-06-13

The Iranian regime's continued interference in Syrian affairs is rooted in preserving its economic and political interests in the region, analysts told Al-Shorfa.

In addition to providing the Syrian regime with military and economic support and backing militant groups such as the Lebanese and Iraqi branches of Hizbullah, Iran has extended its support to the al-Qaeda-inspired "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL), they said.

"Iran's current goal is to abort the Syrian revolution and portray the ruling Syrian regime as waging a war on terrorism. The benefit Iran reaps from this is that it maintains its position in the Middle East and preserves its political and economic gains in Syria and the region," said Iranian affairs researcher Fathi al-Sayed of Al-Sharq Centre for Regional and Strategic studies.

The connection between the Iranian regime and al-Qaeda is evident, he told Al-Shorfa, and has become more so with the protraction of the Syrian crisis and the emerging connection between al-Qaeda-inspired groups in Syria and the Iranian regime, particularly ISIL.

This link also is evident in the course of the ongoing war in Syria, in which the Iranian regime is accused of allowing the movement of al-Qaeda fighters and funds through its territory to Syria, some of them directed to al-Nusra Front (ANF), al-Qaeda's arm in Syria, he said.

"Since the outbreak of the Islamic Revolution, Iran has worked to establish external bases through some of the armed groups that follow its policy directly, such as Hizbullah's branches in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria," al-Sayed said.

Iran also has supported several groups in indirect and discrete ways, including al-Qaeda and its various branches in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Yemen, he said.

"The first organisation born of the womb of the Iranian intelligence [services] was the Islamic State in Iraq (ISI), which later became ISIL under the leadership of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi," he said.

"Iran's connection with Hizbullah is natural, given the congruence of their ideologies, especially that Hizbullah is considered an external branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard," al-Sayed said.

But "its connection to and support of al-Qaeda is a paradox, since each side is the military arm of the sect it belongs to", he added.
Iran uses al-Qaeda to advance its agenda

These contradictions raise questions about how far Iran is willing to go in using al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda-inspired groups to implement its policies.

The Iranian regime's support of groups such as ISIL aims to "project a dark image of the Syrian opposition as nothing but al-Qaeda-affiliated extremist takfiri groups," said Sami Gheit, an economist and researcher with Al-Sharq Centre for Regional and Strategic Studies.

By weakening the military capabilities of the armed Syrian opposition factions, the Iranian regime through "ISIL's project helps Bashar [al-Assad's] regime survive, and thus safeguard Iranian interests," he said.

The Iranian regime seeks to "build a generation of fighters who follow the orders of ISIL's emir mindlessly and with no understanding of the realities of the situation, which portends a grim future," he added.

Many of ISIL's practices, including field executions, assassinations and beheadings, aim to tarnish the image of the Syrian revolution, said Mohammed Abdullah, a Syrian journalist residing in Cairo who is documenting the Syrian war, with a focus on the Iranian file.

"A number of Syrian activists analysed some of the videos posted on YouTube that display crimes committed by ISIL, and were able to track the IP addresses to Iran and Lebanon, not areas within Syria, which indicates the crimes and executions were deliberate and orchestrated with the aim of tarnishing the image of the revolution," he told Al-Shorfa.
Fighting opposition groups instead of Syria's regime

Questions abound about some of ISIL's actions, such as its decision to fight jihadist groups like ANF that espouse the same ideology, as well as groups like the Free Syrian Army, Abdullah said.

At the same time, he said, ISIL has not engaged in battle with Syrian army forces or Hizbullah.

"Furthermore, ISIL members demolished Sufi shrines in al-Raqa but spared Shia shrines, which raised many questions from observers and citizens, especially as the shrines that were spared included the gravesite of Ammar bin Yasser, Uwais al-Qarni and Abi bin Qais al-Nakhi, which had been restored and rebuilt by the Iranians in 2004," Abdullah added.

From a military perspective, ISIL clearly has been avoiding direct confrontation with the regime's army, said military analyst and al-Qaeda affairs specialist Maj. Gen. Abdul Kareem Ahmed, who is retired from the Egyptian army.

Al-Qaeda inspired groups are engaged in confrontations with other armed factions in areas under their control to expand their control over the land and its resources, especially oil and grain, which provide them with cash flow, he told Al-Shorfa.

"In al-Raqa, for example, ISIL spared three strategic Syrian regular army positions, despite the fact it controls the bulk of the territory in the province," he said. "The three positions are the airport and [the headquarters of] the 17th Division and 93rd Brigade."

"In Aleppo, ISIL ceded control of the southern areas to the regime's army and occupied the eastern, northern and western regions, most of which were controlled by other factions," he said. "It also left undisturbed two key locations in north Aleppo, namely the villages of Nabl and al-Zahra, which are under regime control, despite the fact that those villages have strategic military importance for the opposition that would enable it to seize areas that remain outside of its control."
Iranian documents found in ISIL's possession

Other evidence of the Iranian regime's involvement with ISIL includes the discovery of official documents and passports issued by the Iranian authorities at ISIL's headquarters in rural western Aleppo earlier this year, said Syrian journalist Mohammed Abdullah.

These documents include Iranian passports and several other documents belonging to fighters from Chechnya and Kazakhstan, in addition to many Iranian SIM cards, he said.

This points to a connection between ISIL leaders and Iranian intelligence, he said.

Some ISIL elements deny the group is receiving support from the Iranian regime, as in a video clip the group posted online in March in which a fighter denies any Iranian affiliation, Al-Sharq Centre for Regional and Strategic Studies researcher al-Sayed said.

"This can be explained in one of two ways," he said: Either it is an attempt to evade the accusation, or it shows that rank-and-file members are unaware of the connection with Iran, indicating this relationship is privy to ISIL officials and emirs who co-ordinate military movements and are behind those who issue fatwas and oversee their implementation.

These senior leaders are helped by the "total ignorance of most ISIL members who carry out orders without previous knowledge or experience and in complete ignorance of the political alliances between ISIL and Iran, and their absolute faith in the importance of executing orders as if they are legal duties" or face the consequence of hadd punishment, he said.
Iranian regime's past relationship with al-Qaeda

The Iranian regime's relationship with al-Qaeda is not new.

In a 2011 decision, a Washington, D.C., district court ruled that Iran had provided al-Qaeda with material aid and support to carry out the Nairobi and Dar es Salaam bombings in 1998.

The relationship between the Iranian regime and al-Qaeda entered a new phase after the September 11th, 2001, attacks and the organisation's expulsion from Afghanistan.

After the fall of the Taliban, hundreds of al-Qaeda elements fled Afghanistan and sought refuge in Iran, al-Sayed said.

"After its incursion into the [various] regions of the Middle East, Iran sought to extend its influence to Islamist organisations that follow the takfiri ideology and which had pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda, so it began the process of attracting, co-operating with and training these elements within its territory, and providing them with funds and equipment," he added.

Among them were members of al-Qaeda's shura council and their families, and others atop the international most wanted lists, like Yassin al-Suri, who is accused of financing terrorism, Mohsen al-Fadhli, al-Qaeda's leader in Iran, and his Saudi deputy Adel Radi Saqr al-Harbi, he said.

http://mawtani.al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/iii/features/2014/06/13/feature-03

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When you're clueless what's happening on the ground and have no control over what happens to support you give, it is irresponsible to provide such aid. It is of course your fault. This is of course not the first time Western aid and interference have worsened problems.

I'm sure that the US has a pretty good idea of just about everything happening on the ground. As for control of the support they give, yes, they have control in what they give, as said before. It may seem that "interference", by supporting one side, may worsen things. That's why people/countries take the time to find out what is going on and then respond in the way they consider best. Can't please all the people all the time.

Bzzzt! Wrong. One perhaps should not do anything. The problem in Syria was internal. There was no need to interfere.

Perhaps? Sure...

OMW, someone did a basic risk assessment. Amazing.

BTW a most successful attempt.

Feel better now?

???

What people are giving their lives?

Spies, informers, soldiers, strategists, analysts, office tea ladies...

Are you suggesting the wars in Iraq, in Syria and Libya were necessary to prevent Saddam Hussein and Assad from invading South Africa? USA? Europe? China?

Saddam and Gadaffiduck were threats to "the world as we know it". http://www.thenewamerican.com/econo...-gold-money-plan-would-have-devastated-dollar

Good thing they were also cold blooded killers. Made the job easier.
 
Glass the whole area with clean nukes. Iran, Iraq and Syria at least, although I don't see any good reason why Afghanistan and Pakistan shouldn't be included. Think of it as chemotherapy for the planet.

It's a drastic step, but really the USA needs to stop pretending that they give a **** about these ****hole countries and take serious action that tells the world that they're tired of playing games.

That is EXACTLY what terrorists want.
 
Glass the whole area with clean nukes. Iran, Iraq and Syria at least, although I don't see any good reason why Afghanistan and Pakistan shouldn't be included. Think of it as chemotherapy for the planet.

Have to admit I sometimes have those thoughts myself. Apart from oil they hardly contribute anything to the world and their main export appears to be hatred.

Religious subservience and misogynism is their idea of civilisation and instead of progressing they appear hellbent on being the poster child for knuckledraggers.

Yeah yeah, it's just a thought - and there are many other places that could do with a cleansing of the gene pool in the west as well.
 
Well thank you :) but on this occassion I must be missing something. Please go on.

It's the problem of what worldview is taught to the individual. Islam is the problem. Well, the Russian 3rd Rome delusion is another, but in this case, teaching people that hate, intolerance and taking booty from the raped and pillaged is ok, is what cannot be removed with bombs and bullets.

As long as the Islamic books are on Earth, there will be "Pinky and the Brain" terrorists, trying to take over the world.
 
It's the problem of what worldview is taught to the individual. Islam is the problem. Well, the Russian 3rd Rome delusion is another, but in this case, teaching people that hate, intolerance and taking booty from the raped and pillaged is ok, is what cannot be removed with bombs and bullets.

As long as the Islamic books are on Earth, there will be "Pinky and the Brain" terrorists, trying to take over the world.

Oh ok - attacks only create more converts for the cause. Yes I understand that.

It's just a hypothetical scenario though, not something that could ever be considered.

Those on the other side I'm sure would have in mind a few of the western countries to obliterate.

But jeez, it's really time their society stopped living in the dark ages.
 
It's the problem of what worldview is taught to the individual. Islam is the problem. Well, the Russian 3rd Rome delusion is another, but in this case, teaching people that hate, intolerance and taking booty from the raped and pillaged is ok, is what cannot be removed with bombs and bullets.

As long as the Islamic books are on Earth, there will be "Pinky and the Brain" terrorists, trying to take over the world.

This.
 
Oh ok - attacks only create more converts for the cause. Yes I understand that.

It's just a hypothetical scenario though, not something that could ever be considered.

Those on the other side I'm sure would have in mind a few of the western countries to obliterate.

But jeez, it's really time their society stopped living in the dark ages.

Yes, it is frustrating to see the madness and know that the madness has a policy of propagation.

Perhaps that's their plan, to nuke the civilized world, plunging us all back to their stone aged, stone worshipping.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” — Albert Einstein
 
Yes, it is frustrating to see the madness and know that the madness has a policy of propagation.

Perhaps that's their plan, to nuke the civilized world, plunging us all back to their stone aged, stone worshipping.

here is the solution according to a crazed american:

"the winslow plan for defeating islam"
http://historyscoper.com/winslowplan.html
 
It's the problem of what worldview is taught to the individual. Islam is the problem. Well, the Russian 3rd Rome delusion is another, but in this case, teaching people that hate, intolerance and taking booty from the raped and pillaged is ok, is what cannot be removed with bombs and bullets.

As long as the Islamic books are on Earth, there will be "Pinky and the Brain" terrorists, trying to take over the world.

One has to give the inventor credit for his ingenuity!

An illiterate desert tribesman and paedophile started his own cult fourteen centuries ago with a simple credo, "You either join me or die", and the cult went on to conquer the Arabian Peninsula, Holy land, North Africa, Iberian Peninsula and much else; as well as becoming a "fifth column" in Britain and Europe.
 
I'm sure that the US has a pretty good idea of just about everything happening on the ground. As for control of the support they give, yes, they have control in what they give, as said before. It may seem that "interference", by supporting one side, may worsen things. That's why people/countries take the time to find out what is going on and then respond in the way they consider best. Can't please all the people all the time.

I'm sure they didn't.



Perhaps? Sure...

Lol.

Feel better now?

Why would I feel better? Don't project.

Spies, informers, soldiers, strategists, analysts, office tea ladies...

To protect who? Their own interests, not mine. These people are not protecting the internal domestic interests of the people of South Africa, United States, Europe, Asia, South America, etc.


Saddam and Gadaffiduck were threats to "the world as we know it". http://www.thenewamerican.com/econo...-gold-money-plan-would-have-devastated-dollar

Bollocks. If something can be devastated so easily it needs to be reformed. QE, exporting jobs overseas and letting banks get away with murder is far more harmful than some actions of local dictators.

Getting rid of Hussein has led to the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and has given places to hide for real terrorists and more ammunition for recruitment of terrorists.

USA needs to get out of the middle east. They need to focus on fixing their budget and protecting their own people in the US.
 
One has to give the inventor credit for his ingenuity!

An illiterate desert tribesman and paedophile started his own cult fourteen centuries ago with a simple credo, "You either join me or die", and the cult went on to conquer the Arabian Peninsula, Holy land, North Africa, Iberian Peninsula and much else; as well as becoming a "fifth column" in Britain and Europe.

Yes, he relied on the worst base instincts of humans, to promote and create a worldview from. Very effective.
 
Getting rid of Hussein has led to the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and has given places to hide for real terrorists and more ammunition for recruitment of terrorists.

USA needs to get out of the middle east. They need to focus on fixing their budget and protecting their own people in the US.

Saddam was scum but the USA made him and was happy to use him while he danced to their tune.

The Bushes must feel very satisfied when they look at Iraq and know that the disaster is entirely their own doing as well as being based on a lie to start with. The Bushes, just like the Taliban and other terrorist groups, measure their piety in terms of dead bodies.
 
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USA needs to get out of the middle east. They need to focus on fixing their budget and protecting their own people in the US.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'll stick to mine.

Yes, I agree, the USA needs to stick to directing the wars in the Middle East, from a distance, whilst fixing their budget and protecting their own people in the US...and elsewhere...
 
Saddam was scum but the USA made him and was happy to use him while he danced to their tune.

The Bushes must feel very satisfied when they look at Iraq and know that the disaster is entirely their own doing as well as being based on a lie to start with. The Bushes, just like the Taliban and other terrorist groups, measure their piety in terms of dead bodies.

It's a case of the lesser of two/three evils. I throw my lot in with the civilized West/USA/Europe, whatever you feel like calling it.

Russia's 3rd Rome delusion or an Islamic world...or a world of considerable freedom of expression and choice. I'll go with the last.
 
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