The Middle East Conflict Thread

[JK8]

What that you are an anti Semite? Posting drivel like you did should get you banned permanenntly it is hate speech and will be taking it up with RPM. You guys have Frankie banned for something small and then you have the audacity to post hate speech like that and think it will go unpunished?
Posting what you posted is clearly hate speech.

Oh BS!! You wanna ban me for calling Sharon a zionist pig? Did you read the quote I posted? No really... read it.
I hate Zionists, the more crap I read from you and your cronies the more I hate them...

I think I can say Zionist pig, I will use the term more often, theres nothing wrong with it.
What do you call a Jew that doesnt bath? Ah a dirty Jew.

Go cry to someone, if they feel my posts are in breach of their rules than fair enough let them do what they want, your posts are far worst!

 

[nivek]

I dont care what Bwana says or does, my opinion still stands!!

making up quotes as we go along are we?????????
where did you get that ariel sharon quote? hamas.org?

naive is the word

 

[BBSA]

Here's an analogy of what you've done :

Person A bumps into Person B. Person A does not apologise. Later, person B bumps into Person A. Person A demands he apologise. Person B says he will do so when person A apologises for bumping into Person B. Person A then replies that there's no point because Person B won't apologise for bumping into Person A.


Now if you really can prove me wrong, by all means go ahead and do it. Otherwise grow a pair and admit you were wrong.

You do not understand. As I have proven this morning there is no point in debating you.

 

[marine1]

hate speech - Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.

You can hardly claim the pro-Israeli members here are innocent.

I wont quote what he said as Bwana rightly corrected it. It is hate speech and by you supporting him shows how you feel too. Imagine if I said something about Islam like that.

 

[marine1]

Oh BS!! You wanna ban me for calling Sharon a zionist pig? Did you read the quote I posted? No really... read it.
I hate Zionists, the more crap I read from you and your cronies the more I hate them...

I think I can say Zionist pig, I will use the term more often, theres nothing wrong with it.
What do you call a Jew that doesnt bath? Ah a dirty Jew.

Go cry to someone, if they feel my posts are in breach of their rules than fair enough let them do what they want, your posts are far worst!

Yeah typical of you, you never said that- you know what you said.

 

[CyraxHB]

So apparently you know better than one of the most influentual organisations in America, with millions of dollars at their disposal to do research into this kind of thing.

I call it like I see it.

I couldn't agree more.

So now can you please explain why you thought it was relevant to bring up in the first place?

You're the one who started talking about people refusing to fight for their country.

Or to put it in plain(er) english : By signing this document you agree that you are legally bound under international law to respect the borders of other nations, and that you will not use force or threaten to use force to undermine the existence of those nations.

Really out of the question, hey?

Doesnt change the reasons why withdrawal is not an option right now. And again, israel was attacked first so the territories are spoils of war.

So now you actually admit the possibility of something you denied two sentences earlier?

And whether or not something is "complicated" is irrelevant. You tried to justify Israel's actions on the premise that it is acceptable to aquire terrory through warfare. The very existence of the UN runs counter to that principle, and Israel as a member of the UN and a signatory of the UN charter has agreed to conduct itself in a manner in keeping with the aims of the charter, including the idea that it is unacceptable to grab land. Your argument failed. Accept that you are wrong.

And if the arabs had won in that war do you think they would be willing to hand back land?

Source?

So you're saying they were allied to israel?

Lol. 20% of North Korea's population is part of the NK army, and it even causes the US to balk at the idea of invading the country. But even if that weren't the case, then why doesn't South Korea attack North Korea for having troops on the border?

The amount of troops you have means very little in modern warfare. The iraq war proved that. So you're saying the US should attack north korea just because they can? That would be more the style of hamas.

Why bother? You'll probably just claim scepticism at the source and ignore the example anyway.

Ill take that as you couldnt find any countries like that.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

The alleged Ouze Merham interview of Ariel Sharon is a paragraph alleged to come from a 1956 interview of the former Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon, made by an Israeli general named Ouze Merham, when Sharon was a major in the Israel Defense Forces. The paragraph advocates burning Palestinian children and raping Palestinian women and Arab girls. The interview, the paragraph, and Ouze Merham himself have been denounced as fabrications.

The disputed quotation was published by a number of media outlets and websites in the Muslim world and elsewhere in conjunction with anti-Israel commentary, including on IslamOnline;[1] the English-language Pakistani newspaper, The Nation;[2] and the London-based Arabic newspaper, Al-Hayat, which published the quote in a July 11, 2005, opinion article.[3] As'ad Abdul Rahman, chairman of the Palestinian Encyclopedia, used the quote as his lede for an opinion piece about his perception of alleged Jewish control of the world media in the Gulf News of December 4, 2004.[4]

A student columnist used the quote in her December 11, 2003 Daily Illini column,[5][6] but later admitted the quote was false and apologized.[7] The incident was still being discussed as late as 2007.

Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouze_Merham

 

[daveza]

Maybe it's time for another 3 hour cease-fire.

 

[Xarog]

You do not understand. As I have proven this morning there is no point in debating you.

You did not. The only reason for my behaviour is because you are being a hypocrite for asking me to do something which you haven't done.

You asked me to concede a point and I immediately pointed out that you ignore posts rather than concede points and that your request is hypocrital in the extreme.

You ignored no less than 3 of my responses to your posts. This is the same as evasion/refusing to admit that you are wrong. In response I told you that I was unwilling to treat you with the respect that you were unwilling to treat me with. My response was reasonable. Yours was not.

 

[marine1]

Maybe it is time for a banning?

 

[JK8]

Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouze_Merham

Thanks for the link...

Are any of my other quotes as controversial?

 

[marine1]

Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouze_Merham

Thanks for exposing yet another propaganda tactic and attempt. Well done !!
Amazing how many lies are out there

 

[BBSA]

You did not. The only reason for my behaviour is because you are being a hypocrite for asking me to do something which you haven't done.

You asked me to concede a point and I immediately pointed out that you ignore posts rather than concede points and that your request is hypocrital in the extreme.

You ignored no less than 3 of my responses to your posts. This is the same as evasion/refusing to admit that you are wrong. In response I told you that I was unwilling to treat you with the respect that you were unwilling to treat me with. My response was reasonable. Yours was not.

You said this moring that Isreal is controling the Rafah Border Crossing.

Do you still stand by that?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

There's two things I hate in threads like this ....... propaganda and hate speech .... every single debate always degenerates into one or both

 

[Glock26]

Thanks for the link...

Are any of my other quotes as controversial?

Yes, most of them.
You think you can just haul out a false quote, just write it off as a once off and then carry on?
Another typical liberal media type, using the same tactics. Say something completely wrong, do damage, and then move the goalpost to something else.
As far as I am concerned, that makes anything you say worthless. Troll much?

G26

 

[JK8]

Thanks for exposing yet another propaganda tactic and attempt. Well done !!
Amazing how many lies are out there

It was an Israeli that fabricated it anyway...

 

[rwenzori]

Thanks for exposing yet another propaganda tactic and attempt. Well done !!
Amazing how many lies are out there

Are these lies? -

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

 

[Xarog]

I call it like I see it.

Yeah, in other words you ignore anything you find inconvenient.

You're the one who started talking about people refusing to fight for their country.

Indeed. But I made absolutely no reference to the number of people that refused to fight.

Doesnt change the reasons why withdrawal is not an option right now. And again, israel was attacked first so the territories are spoils of war.

And again, it's Illegal under international law.

And if the arabs had won in that war do you think they would be willing to hand back land?

Maybe, maybe not. It would still be wrong of them to do so.

So you're saying they were allied to israel?

No, actually I am saying they were entirely uninvolved in the war except as innocent bystanders.

The amount of troops you have means very little in modern warfare. The iraq war proved that.

Yes, it's amazing how easily a country is toppled after one war followed by 10 years of straight bombing.

So you're saying the US should attack north korea just because they can?

No, I'm saying the US has declared NK to be a rogue nation and NK has admitted to having a nuclear weapons program. And yet the US talks about diplomacy. They invaded Iraq, they threatened to invade Iran. Where's the threats against NK?

Ill take that as you couldnt find any countries like that.

And I'll take this response as proof that you're a troll.

Btw, 3 mins of searching google, with the keywords, "trade deficit country collapse" :

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55a/041.html
http://www.exponentialimprovement.com/cms/fallacy.shtml

Just two random picks. Select your own picks here : http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&q=trade+deficit+country+collapse&start=10&sa=N

I look forward to you pretending it doesn't exist now.

 

[Xarog]

You said this moring that Isreal is controling the Rafah Border Crossing.

Do you still stand by that?

I stand by, "I am ignoring your posts which I may or may not find inconvenient as you have ignored mine, and I will do so until such a time as you stop ignoring my posts, seeing as you started the game of ignoring posts."

 

[JK8]

Yes, most of them.
You think you can just haul out a false quote, just write it off as a once off and then carry on?
Another typical liberal media type, using the same tactics. Say something completely wrong, do damage, and then move the goalpost to something else.
As far as I am concerned, that makes anything you say worthless. Troll much?

G26

One misquote that even I found to be way out of line, made up by an Israeli...
I admit and appreciate Mephistos link.
I will also any others that he finds.