The Middle East Conflict Thread

[Glock26]

Well....actually I choose not to continue with either.
The quote I believe in is the following:

Never argue with an idiot. He'll only bring you down to his level, and then beat you with experience

Carry on..I have a life off this forum.

*out*

G26

 

[BBSA]

"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."--Eric Hoffer

Create quote!

Hope your pro-hamas supporters has also read that quote.

 

[daveza]

Well....actually I choose not to continue with either.

I can live with that.

Where we desire to be informed 'tis good to contest with men above ourselves; but to confirm and establish our opinions, 'tis best to argue with judgments below our own, that the frequent spoils and victories over their reasons may settle in ourselves an esteem and confirmed opinion of our own.

Done.

 

[daveza]

Create quote!

Hope your pro-hamas supporters has also read that quote.

Sigh - again with the ' your pro-hamas ' supporters.

I beg you to read every post of mine then reveal to all my hamas support.

 

[BBSA]

Sigh - again with the ' your pro-hamas ' supporters.

I beg you to read every post of mine then reveal to all my hamas support.

Fair enough.

Let me rephrase: Hope the pro-hamas/terror supporters has also read that quote.

 

[BBSA]

Exactly. So the Ozzies must go, the yanks must go, we must go...

Half this thread and any Israel/Palestine thread is about who was there first.

Quite irrelevant to the present day reality.

Correct. The reality today is that Israel exist, and it is time for Hamas to except that reality.

 

[daveza]

The reality today is that Israel exist

Certainly.

As does the palestinian nation and they must be able to live a life equal to that lived by the Israelis.

 

[nivek]

Certainly.

As does the palestinian nation and they must be able to live a life equal to that lived by the Israelis.

Agreed

As long as they behave

 

[BBSA]

Certainly.

As does the palestinian nation and they must be able to live a life equal to that lived by the Israelis.

I have no problem with that, and they can accomplice that with negotiations but they first have to acknowledge the present day realities.

 

[marine1]

Agreed

As long as they behave

Yes agreed.

 

[daveza]

Three consecutive posts in agreement.

Is that allowed ?

 

[daveza]

A non-confrontational one for the jewish community -

Does the jewish religion believe in hell

and

is it acceptable to wage war on the Sabbath ?

No agendas, just after some education.

 

[marine1]

No they dont blv in hell and yes they can battle on Sabbath. Ofcourse they can and should if they are being attacked.

 

[daveza]

So if you're a really bad person what happens to you ?

 

[marine1]

Not too sure, there are different levels of "heaven" as I understand it and I would say we are all at the lowest level.

 

[daveza]

Thanks - I'm a bit more educated now.

 

[daveza]

An article to mull over on a lazy Sunday afternoon -

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3654122,00.html

Israel can't ignore int'l opinion, statesmen say

Former Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami claims international community cares more about Israeli-Palestinian conflict because Jews are involved. 'This is a western-Arab conflict,' says former ambassador
Daniel Edelson

When almost every nation –from the Czech Republic and Turkey to France – asks to become involved in Israeli and regional affairs, it begs the question: Why is the world so curious about Israel?

The phrase "international opinion" is bounced around among decision-makers and the public alike, but does it mean we're really on the map or merely slaves to the idea of being 'a light among nations'? Is the average citizen in Norway or Canada really interested in events in Gaza or Sderot?

"It perhaps doesn't interest the individual citizen, but it definitely interests the elites in these nations, the urban intellectuals: the press, authors, academics," Professor Shlomo Ben-Ami, a former acting foreign minister, told Ynet. "This is less due to the horror an average person feels when witnessing death and gore on television and more because Israel is involved in the matter."

"I always asked the Palestinians if they truly believe that the world takes an interest in them. After all, when Arabs kill Arabs, it doesn't provoke worldwide protests. If the Egyptians or Jordanians were attacking them, would anyone in the world be up in arms?"

"Only when Jews are involved does public interest rise, and this is because there is a deeply entrenched global syndrome regarding Jews," Ben-Ami stated.


According to the former minister, this is not anti-Semitism per se but rather related to a centuries-old relationship between Jews and the rest of the world. "Prior to Israel's independence, we walked around the world with a kind of moral immunity because of all of the wrongs that had been done to us," he explained.


"When the world sees that we are involved in a conflict in which innocents get hurt, it releases some tension because, 'see, it also happens to them.' The world's desire to assuage their guilt (regarding centuries of mistreating Jews) is so vast that it causes them, more than once, to jump to dangerous conclusions," added Ben-Ami.

"Why are they so quick and hasty to use a word like genocide? Because they want to pay us back in kind." Ben-Ami said, recalling how Nobel winner Jose Saragamo had referred to Operation Defensive Shield as 'Auschwitz' during a visit to Jenin. "How can someone even speak in such terms?" he asked.

"In Sri Lanka's crisis, some 70,000 people were killed – more than all of the fatalities during all of Israel's wars combined. The world is barely aware of (the crisis Sri Lanka). There's a lot of cynicism and double-speak when it comes to us," he said.

I haven't yet decided if I agree or not.

 

[krycor]

The problem is ethic cleansing and racial prejudice is something the world believes it has moved on from particularly in the civilized world so this sort of thing happening in Israel which considers itself a 1st world country is kinda hard to justify.

Asked on cnn, some top level Israeli spokesman, why they don't recognize Palestinians let alone grant them the sovereignty and human rights they deserve the guy basically had no answer. Aside going thru the usual drivel of the conflict, mentioning holocaust and anti-Semitic(again as per usual) he had no real answer. When asked again and pressed for an answer point blank the answer was simply they had never considered doing so.

So whats my point?? Until either side begin to respect the rights of each other this conflict will simply NOT resolve.. it just goes into a lull while it builds up. And sorry for the pro Israeli supporters but as an occupying force, the Israeli's have really been quite bad. Read about the UNRWA's reports on health of kids vs aid brought in and the effects there of, tt simply cannot be denied and the Israeli's themselves do not deny this when confronted about this issue(unlike the supporters here.)

 

[BBSA]

So whats my point?? Until either side begin to respect the rights of each other this conflict will simply NOT resolve.. it just goes into a lull while it builds up. And sorry for the pro Israeli supporters but as an occupying force, the Israeli's have really been quite bad. Read about the UNRWA's reports on health of kids vs aid brought in and the effects there of, tt simply cannot be denied and the Israeli's themselves do not deny this when confronted about this issue(unlike the supporters here.)

Sorry, for the pro-Hamas/terror supporters but in this conflict Israel is the only party who wants peace.

PS. We just had peace in this thread and now you are starting again.

 

[daveza]

100 pages and still alive.

Remarkable ! There is still hope.