The Middle East Conflict Thread

[Ghazi]

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Well... if a Professor of international law who happens to be Jewish shares my view, I think it's obvious who the ones on the right side of the argument are.

The highly respected Barak Obama has also made comments in support of Israel's actions to defend its people against terrorist attacks such as the persistant rocket attacks on it's residential areas.

 

[d0b33]

The highly respected Barak Obama has also made comments in support of Israel's actions to defend its people against terrorist attacks such as the persistant rocket attacks on it's residential areas.

Respected? to me he is just another politician.

 

[adamr]

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what you people don't realise, is those survivors of this attack, what do you think they will do ... sympathise for Israel? ... no ... they will take arms against Israel! and the cycle continues ... it never ends ... Israel in the end is just making it worst for themselves ... the attack aint a solution!

And for a moment lets say Israels cause is justified to eliminate Hamas ... at some point dont you think, they should stop and realise that there are more civilian casualties than actual Hamas militia being killed .... A handful of Hamas militia killed versus almost a thousand civilians not killed, but murdered!!! ... and you guys dont think its going wrong for your cause, or is it to achieve your cause no matter what. Because Palestinian life is worth nothing???? ...

The excuse that every pro-Israel supporter echoes "Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields" is really a very poor excuse to justify the murder of innocents ...

As an example the UN school bombings, till now Mark Regev refuses any international investigations ... the use of white phosphorus which Altiva Leibowitz side steps the questions when asked if they use it ... again, let an international party investigate these supposed war crimes ... and it might be that Hamas are using children as shields ... or it might just be Israel are murdering civilians ... why are they not allowing these investigations and prove to everyone there was Hamas militia in that school or they not using white phosphorus ... is that not a fair thing to want?

Like one poster said, divide the land 50/50 ... equal rights to both Palestinians and Israeli people alike ... there is enough land to share ....

you cant have peace without Justice! ... and as long as there is that injustice this conflict will never end ...

 

[medicnick83]

Along with what adamr said;

Anyone remember the ending to "The Kingdom" ?

Yeah!

 

[BBSA]

this thread is challenging this thread

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what you people don't realise, is those survivors of this attack, what do you think they will do ... sympathise for Israel? ... no ... they will take arms against Israel! and the cycle continues ... it never ends ... Israel in the end is just making it worst for themselves ... the attack aint a solution!

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That you do not realise is the Israel is the only party in this conflict who wants peace. You can spin it as you want to but Hamas will only be happy if Israel has been destroyed.

See the true hamas: Hamas adopts Nazi salute

 

[marine1]

That you do not realise is the Israel is the only party in this conflict who wants peace. You can spin it as you want to but Hamas will only be happy if Israel has been destroyed.

See the true hamas: Hamas adopts Nazi salute

And they say this is about land? They want to wipe out the Jews and this will NEVER happen. Do you hear that? Never !!

 

[adamr]

That you do not realise is the Israel is the only party in this conflict who wants peace. You can spin it as you want to but Hamas will only be happy if Israel has been destroyed.

See the true hamas: Hamas adopts Nazi salute

well i can tell you now the way the Israel army is going about resolving the issues in the middle east is only going to create more suicide bombers and more homemade rockets attacks into their cities .... its creating hate in the Palestinian people for them ... and if peace was really on the Agenda, they would have realised this ...

 

[adamr]

And they say this is about land? They want to wipe out the Jews and this will NEVER happen. Do you hear that? Never !!

so why dont they just do that nuke the whole place, kill all Palestinians ... once and for all ...

 

[Ghazi]

well i can tell you know the way the Israel army is going about resolving the issues in the middle east is only going to create more suicide bombers and more homemade rockets attacks into their cities .... its creating hate in the Palestinian people for them ... and if peace was really on the Agenda, they would have realised this ...

The alternative being that Israel does nothing and Hamas strenghten their militants sufficiently to inflict even heavier casualties on Israel's population, which is obviously not a viable option.

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The fact that counter terrorist actions may inspire more to resort to terrorism is most likely been acknowledged by all parties, but I doubt that those in persuit of terrorists would allow this to deter them.
Lets consider the recent attacks on civilians in Mumbai. I am sure that India will hunt down the terrorists and their organisation, and have learn't not to trust Pakistan to deal with it. No doubt that they have considered the fact that it may incite more extremists, but this will not be a deciding factor in going after the terrorists.

 

[daveza]

Along with what adamr said;

Anyone remember the ending to "The Kingdom" ?

Yeah!

Anyone remember the beginning of 'The Kingdom' ?

 

[daveza]

so why dont they just do that nuke the whole place, kill all Palestinians ... once and for all ...

Shew - that's a bit harsh even from the pro-Israel faction !

 

[Ghazi]

Respected? to me he is just another politician.

Obama has a very high approval rating not only in the USA, but worldwide, and most, myself included, believe he is of high integrity and moral fibre.

Having said that, I think he's comments in support of Israel defending itself against the rocket attacks carries some weight.

 

[BBSA]

well i can tell you know the way the Israel army is going about resolving the issues in the middle east is only going to create more suicide bombers and more homemade rockets attacks into their cities .... its creating hate in the Palestinian people for them ... and if peace was really on the Agenda, they would have realised this ...

Yes, it is not good for their PR, but they really had no other options. They just could not sit and see how their citizen is under tread of thousand of rockets. The have the responsibility to defend their citizens.

In 2006 we had the same arguments from the pro-terror camp that Israel's action against the terrorist group Hezbollah was not proactive, but today Israel do not receive any rockets from Hezbollah. Maybe the situation is not so bad as you think.

 

[d0b33]

In 2006 we had the same arguments from the pro-terror camp that Israel's action against the terrorist group Hezbollah was not proactive, but today Israel do not receive any rockets from Hezbollah. Maybe the situation is not so bad as you think.

That's because Israel agreed to Hezbollah's demands and now they have a truce, Israel never respected the Hamas truce fully.

 

[BBSA]

That's because Israel agreed to Hezbollah's demands and now they have a truce, Israel never respected the Hamas truce fully.

Which demands?

 

[Ghazi]

That's because Israel agreed to Hezbollah's demands and now they have a truce, Israel never respected the Hamas truce fully.

We hope similar "demands" are made by Hamas soon to avoid further bloodshed on both sides.

 

[d0b33]

Which demands?

The Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Olmert, stated that Israel has agreed to swap five prisoners with Hezbollah to provide the bodies of two Israeli soldiers captured in 2006.

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[Ghazi]

That's because Israel agreed to Hezbollah's demands and now they have a truce, Israel never respected the Hamas truce fully.

Wasn't it UN Security Council Resolution 1701 that brought an end to the devastating 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah?

 

[BBSA]

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Five prisoners, was that all Hezbollah demanded? What about the disputed Shebaa farms region?

 

[Vitowe]

so why dont they just do that nuke the whole place, kill all Palestinians ... once and for all ...

That would in reallity be the most effective and practical solution, but then when have you ever experienced a politician calling for anything practical or effective?