The Middle East Conflict Thread

rwenzori

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No, I'm sure you have heard and seen it all before! :p
welcome back... I also took a break! :)


Yep - all the pro-israel guys agreed that they were wrong, apologised for calling us names and offered to send a small cheque to the palestinians.

LOL!

You should just refer to post numbers. I'll leave everyone killing everyone else here for a bit longer. ;)
 

JHatman

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And they don't really mind who they kill, the enemy, their own kind, it dun matter just as long as somebody dies. I guess thats why they're called terrorists.
 

Peder

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whats interesting here is that Hamas etc are moaning about how badly done by they are but the israeli's aren't?

They are being hit just as hard as hamas is hitting them
 

Arko2

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Heroes

I'm still searching when the so called EX Terrorist become Heroes.?
They received all on a Silverplatter , but look what has happened.
 

Arko2

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Heroes

Hamas is the palestinians equivalent of the ANC, back in the day they were labelled "terrorists" where as now they are heroes, sometimes their methods were questioned but
 

JHatman

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Hamas is the palestinians equivalent of the ANC, back in the day they were labelled "terrorists" where as now they are heroes, sometimes their methods were questioned but

Some might say the ANC are still terrorists, only now they use stupidity as their primary weapon as apposed to machetes.
 

BBSA

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Hamas is the palestinians equivalent of the ANC, back in the day they were labelled "terrorists" where as now they are heroes, sometimes their methods were questioned but no one is perfect and when you are subjected to the things they are it is not hard to see why they do it.

So why does Hamas not suspend the arm struggle and start with negotiations like the ANC did?

That is the only way!
 

Ghazi

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Here's a take on what its like for Israeli citizens "living" in the range of Hamas rockets.

Those images of the carnage caused by Israeli airstrikes inside the Gaza Strip brought to mind another film of bomb victims that I watched early this month in Sderot, an Israeli town targeted by rockets fired from Hamas-controlled Gaza.

In a bomb-proof room at the ambulance station Tiger Avraham, the chief paramedic, showed us his grisly home movie of the aftermath of an attack. We were told that 23 Israeli civilians had been killed, more than a thousand injured and many more traumatised by rockets since 2004. Nobody mentioned the two Gazan youths killed in an Israeli airstrike the day before our visit.

Mr Avraham embodies the Sderot siege mentality: “It is not easy to live here. For five years my little one has slept in a bomb shelter.” He could leave for Tel Aviv or America, but “I am here because it gives a sense of meaning to my life. Here I am not only a Jew, I'm an Israeli.”

Asked his view of Palestinians, he replied: “I am a health worker, not a politician. I hope for peace in the end.” Many of his neighbours have welcomed the military response to rocket attacks that increased to almost 200 in the week since Hamas formally ended its ceasefire with Israel.

In Sderot, where they get a 15-second warning of an attack, the streets are lined with bomb shelters and schools are covered by concrete arches. Behind the police station the twisted remains of rockets are on show - mostly crudely made from lampposts, with some more sophisticated Iranian devices. Many observers object that the airstrikes are disproportionate: the weekend body count was one Israeli killed, more than 290 reported dead in Gaza. The Israelis will counter that those who start a war on civilians are in no position to demand restraint.

To make sense of a conflict in which both sides claim to be victims requires more than an emotional response to gory pictures. I support the Palestinian right to self-determination. But I am disturbed by the rise of anti-Israeli sentiments in Britain and the West, as when my old friends on the Left declared: “We are all Hezbollah now.”

There is a tendency to reduce the Middle East to a simplistic morality play where Good battles Evil, projecting our own victim politics on to other people's complex conflicts.

The Israelis I met bear no comparison with the caricature of expansionist “Zio-Nazis”. These attacks seem very different from 1967 when Israel occupied Gaza and other territories after the Six-Day War. The Zionist dream of Israel reclaiming the biblical lands is over. Most Israelis seem prepared to withdraw to the pre-1967 borders and abandon Gaza (as they did in 2005) and most of the West Bank while bunkering down behind the big new security barriers that snake across the countryside. An insecure Israel will still lash out when it feels threatened, as it did in Lebanon in 2006 and Gaza now, even though such military spasms are likely to be ineffective and even counter-productive.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/mick_hume/article5408672.ece
 

daveza

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I don't think Israel will talk to hamas even if they all convert to judaism and move to Venezuela.
 

BBSA

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I don't think Israel will talk to hamas even if they all convert to judaism and move to Venezuela.

Do you blame them..... But yea, if they acknowledge present day realities I'm sure Israel will talk to them. I mean surely Hamas current approach is not working.
 
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