The Middle East Conflict Thread

[daveza]

Do you blame them..... But yea, if they acknowledge present day realities I'm sure Israel will talk to them. I mean surely Hamas current approach is not working.

Balance is hard to gain here.

Both parties need to acknowledge realities and neither parties current approach is working.

 

[Peder]

Question? What exactly are they fighting about is it land? from the six day war?

 

[daveza]

Why do they have to talk directly?

Because they need marriage counseling, not divorce lawyers.

If they can't talk to each other they sure as hell will never be able to live together.

 

[BBSA]

Balance is hard to gain here.

Both parties need to acknowledge realities and neither parties current approach is working.

Well, yes Israel does not have peace but surly they are much better of than the Palestinians.

 

[BBSA]

Because they need marriage counseling, not divorce lawyers.

If they can't talk to each other they sure as hell will never be able to live together.

Why can they not use a mediator?

 

[BBSA]

Question? What exactly are they fighting about is it land? from the six day war?

No, Hamas is calling for the extermination of Israel.

 

[daveza]

Why can they not use a mediator?

I think talking face to shows shows commitment.

 

[BBSA]

I think talking face to shows shows commitment.

Sure, let just hope Hamas come to their senses before why are exterminated.

 

[Arko2]

Mediator

Like the Zim. Mediator

 

[BBSA]

Like the Zim. Mediator

Hell, I hope not coz then they are in real sh*t.

 

[daveza]

Mediation with Mugabe is like trying to take the bone from a pitbulls mouth.

 

[Albereth]

ah, but atleast we know where you stand now. tell me, how is a bomb coming thru your house and crushing your head "natural selection?" or did you miss those few biology courses?

and i'll assume you're calling them dumb like they deserved it. we don't have to subscribe to all life is sacred arguments to know when something is bull. life goes on for you becoz you don't really care, i mean it's not you house getting blown up or your kids being carried away in bags.

i have a philosophy, if the dog is not pissing on your rose garden, don't go complaining about it. so what are you getting out of this discussion?

Quite simple - if you are dumb enough to put your head where there are bombs coming through the house, well ..... if the shroud fits, wear it. And you can call it anyway you like - do something stupid like come at an armed person with a butter knife, don't be surprised at the outcome. Sure, everyone else can be all upset that the poor fool got shot and how terrible it all is because he only had a butter knife and the other guy had a gun. But who was dumb?

And here is the thing - is it your house being bombed? Or your kids in a bag? Or do you like to moan and pretend that you've achieved something?

And what do I get out of the discussion? Not an awful lot. It is quite clear that there are two opposing views that have insulted one another, actions that have saved just how many lives exactly? And I am fully entitled to make my comments - the conflict is stupid and, frankly, most of the people on this planet don't care.

And when your tactics of hopping on a bus and blowing yourself up, or firing lamp posts across the fence ends up in you getting the snot knocked out of you, then maybe it is time to try something else. Give up on trying to claim the land - that's going nowhere. Go and ask the Syrians to lend you money to build your own ports so you are not dependent on imports from Israel. Build your own desalination plants. Make a plan. But I guess we need a few more heads smashed open before the dumb ones are all gone.

 

[nivek]

hamas has probably killed more palestinian children during this conflict than israel has

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU

"The IDF acts only in accordance with what is permitted by international law and does not use white phosphorous," Ashkenazi told the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in response to a query by Meretz MK Zehava Gal-On.

The chief of staff went on to say that Hamas was booby-trapping Gaza homes with entire families inside, in order to set off explosives should IDF troops take control of the houses.

He said Israel was making every effort to avoid harming innocent people, but that Hamas was exploiting the weakness of its civilians.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231774442641&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

 

[BBSA]

I don't think Israel will talk to hamas even if they all convert to judaism and move to Venezuela.

BTW. They also said Israel will never talk to the PLO.

 

[daveza]

"The IDF acts only in accordance with what is permitted by international law and does not use white phosphorous," Ashkenazi told the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in response to a query by Meretz MK Zehava Gal-On.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3318303,00.html

Israel says it used phosphorus shells in Lebanon
Published: 10.23.06, 01:53 / Israel News

Israel confirmed on Sunday it had used phosphorus shells, a controversial munition condemned by many human rights groups, during its war against Hizbullah. "The army made use of phosphorus shells during the recent conflict with Hizbullah in Lebanon for the purpose of attacking military targets located in open areas," the Israeli military said in a statement.

They used them then, they use them now.

Using quotes from Jpost is like the anti-israelis using Al Jazeera.

Read the talkbacks on jpost - makes the AWB look like a collection of Ghandis.

 

[Ghazi]

So if a robber breaks into my house and tries to hold me hostage with a butter knife, its perfectly 'ok' for me to kill him?

If I was armed, I'd certainly not be waiting to see how much sharpening of the butter knife he's done on the kurbstone.

 

[BBSA]

Will Arabs learn war lesson?

Good Question?

While Hamas commits Hamacide, a term my son Samer recently coined to define the group's self-destruction, Hizbullah is watching the events unfold with fear pounding the temples of its leadership and knowing full well that they must re-invent themselves for the next round of hostilities. Testing Iran's military field tactics or Assad's guerrilla warfare, and using the undeniably stupid leadership of Hamas, are but a distraction dwarfing the nuclear ambitions both Syria and Iran are racing towards.

The real opportunity of this war is that it may spark an Arab Renaissance if, and only if, the Assad regime is removed and replaced by Syrians intent on building a nation instead of destroying other countries, by moderate Muslims ready to crush extremists instead of amplifying their miserable existence, and by Arabs able to embrace nationalism in order to engineer coexistence instead of inventing "resistance."

For Arabs to save themselves from the doom of ignorance and ineptitude, we must fight for the freedom of our masses to liberate them from extremism. Saving Iraq from Saddam while keeping her sandwiched between Assad and Ahmadinejad is an irony of gargantuan proportions. Undeniably, oppression is the conduit through which extremism flourishes. Unless we resolve this oxymoronic doctrine in which stability comes with dictatorial rule yet the dictators themselves deliberately foster extremism, the Arab civilization is doomed

 

[BBSA]

Read the talkbacks on jpost - mak...ls actions create hate but it goes both ways.

 

[daveza]

You always say Israels actions create hate but it goes both ways.

No argument there.

 

[marine1]

Well then let me report all the racism and hate speech which in this country IS illegal, there is a line where freedom of speech stops.

You are the idiot, You are the one with hate speech, but it just reinforces the fact that Israel must continue with the offensive and not stop.
There is only one way to deal with terrorists and people like you.
You have a big mouth and are probably one of those telephone tough guys.
Anyway I will leave it there.
I am just so happy that your kind is being dealt with.