The Middle East Conflict Thread

[BBSA]

"The question of borders doesn't interest us…From the Arab standpoint, we mustn't talk about borders. Palestine is nothing but a drop in an enormous ocean. Our nation is the Arabic nation that stretches from the Atlantic Ocean to the Red Sea and beyond …..The P.L.O. is fighting Israel in the name of Pan-Arabism. What you call "Jordan" is nothing more than Palestine." ~Yasser Arafat

 

[JK8]

I also said... if that were the case it would be acceptable.

But that is not what he said... he said he walks out of every store which even displays Hebrew or Jewish writing and symbols. In other words, he refuses to have anything to do with Jewish people.

Didnt marine1 walk out of a store in the plaza because they has a poster of Bin Laden?

 

[krycor]

I also said... if that were the case it would be acceptable.

But that is not what he said... he said he walks out of every store which even displays Hebrew or Jewish writing and symbols. In other words, he refuses to have anything to do with Jewish people.

That's just biased.. i dislike people like that and usually try to stay far from people like that irrespective of who they are.

 

[JK8]

I also said... if that were the case it would be acceptable.

But that is not what he said... he said he walks out of every store which even displays Hebrew or Jewish writing and symbols. In other words, he refuses to have anything to do with Jewish people.

Those are your words...
Didnt marine1 walk out of a store in the plaza because they has a poster of Bin Laden?

 

[Pitbull]

Guys now this is what I mean.

See JK8 is Muslim, now if this was nothing but a turf war, why would JK8 be bothered ?
He feels this is an attack on his religion and the Jews are feeling the same way. Now that is major cause for concern

If you get called up to fight, who do you fight for ?. The person next to you is on one side of the fence, and you're on another.

Now that is where it gets interresting

 

[daveza]

Lol making up stories i see...
Ill walk in, ill look around, Ill even greet but I wont buy!

Umm...so why do you go in in the first place ?

 

[marine1]

Didnt marine1 walk out of a store in the plaza because they has a poster of Bin Laden?

Yes and proud of it, same as if it were of Hitler.

 

[JHatman]

"The question of borders doesn't interest us…From the Arab standpoint, we mustn't talk about borders. Palestine is nothing but a drop in an enormous ocean. Our nation is the Arabic nation that stretches from the Atlantic Ocean to the Red Sea and beyond …..The P.L.O. is fighting Israel in the name of Pan-Arabism. What you call "Jordan" is nothing more than Palestine." ~Yasser Arafat

Well after reading this:

http://www.ourjerusalem.com/opinion/story/hadrians-curse-the-secret-all-the-arabs-know-part-i-2.html

I think I've seen all I've needed to see.

 

[daveza]

Marine, BBSA and co. the pro-Israel side of the fence ... do you people have Muslim friends by any chance?

Marine1 doesn't have any friends.

As was pointed out yesterday he is a complete moron so the only interaction he has with other humans is the men in white coats who push his wheelchair to and from the electrotherapy department.

 

[adamr]

Truth is Marine, Gary etc ... if you guys knew a store that said:" For every transaction R1 goes to Hamas" .... you would not buy from there .... heck if you did, you guys would be hypocrites! ... I need to respect that!

I myself will not support any company, Jewish or not, if i know without certainty there are saying also:" For every transaction R1 to Israels attack on Palestine" ... Id be a hypocrite. JK8s view on this is right!

The part where Gary has an issue, is the generalising part .... and yes we should not generalise ... so JK8, fellow Muslim brother, it did come across like you generalised ...

 

[LazyLion]

Didnt marine1 walk out of a store in the plaza because they has a poster of Bin Laden?

... then that would fall under the "concrete evidence" example... I would do the same thing.

I would not however, walk out of every store which is owned by a Muslim person or which displays Arabic or Qu'ranic writing. That would be going too far.

 

[LazyLion]

Truth is Marine, Gary etc ... if you guys knew a store that said:" For every transaction R1 goes to Hamas" .... you would not buy from there .... heck if you did, you guys would be hypocrites! ... I need to respect that!

I myself will not support any company, Jewish or not, if i know without certainty there are saying also:" For every transaction R1 to Israels attack on Palestine" ... Id be a hypocrite. JK8s view on this is right!

The part where Gary has an issue, is the generalising part .... and yes we should not generalise ... so JK8, fellow Muslim brother, it did come across like you generalised ...

Exactly. We have asked him to clarify or retract, but he stands be his words. so let him be painted with the label.

 

[marine1]

Marine1 doesn't have any friends.

As was pointed out yesterday he is a complete moron so the only interaction he has with other humans is the men in white coats who push his wheelchair to and from the electrotherapy department.

Shows your level of intelligence. Brain dead moron. I will refrain from debating with idiots and anti semites like you.
Anything more to add? thought not.

 

[JK8]

Truth is Marine, Gary etc ... if you guys knew a store that said:" For every transaction R1 goes to Hamas" .... you would not buy from there .... heck if you did, you guys would be hypocrites! ... I need to respect that!

I myself will not support any company, Jewish or not, if i know without certainty there are saying also:" For every transaction R1 to Israels attack on Palestine" ... Id be a hypocrite. JK8s view on this is right!

The part where Gary has an issue, is the generalising part .... and yes we should not generalise ... so JK8, fellow Muslim brother, it did come across like you generalised ...

Sorry Mr Adam.

But the way i see it, Jewish people like Muslim people live in communities surrounded by their "own" we have our mosques in Houghton and they have their synagogues.
Now a jewish person can be approached to donate money towards Israel and if I know how things works, chances are they will be asked. Their money from me, now goes to Israel...
Im not happy about that.
So yes if they have a can with the Israeli flag on it asking for donations, would I really buy from that store?

 

[Pitbull]

Shows your level of intelligence. Brain dead moron. I will refrain from debating with idiots and anti semites like you.
Anything more to add? thought not.

So because they refuse to buy from a said shop you label them as "Against Jews". If they do the same to you, you call them Anti Semites and have a hissy fit

 

[marine1]

Truth is Marine, Gary etc ... if you guys knew a store that said:" For every transaction R1 goes to Hamas" .... you would not buy from there .... heck if you did, you guys would be hypocrites! ... I need to respect that!

I myself will not support any company, Jewish or not, if i know without certainty there are saying also:" For every transaction R1 to Israels attack on Palestine" ... Id be a hypocrite. JK8s view on this is right!

The part where Gary has an issue, is the generalising part .... and yes we should not generalise ... so JK8, fellow Muslim brother, it did come across like you generalised ...

Fair enough Adam you stand for something and I respect you for that, I just dont like the issue when you say you have Jewish friends and they feel the same way you do or somehting along those lines. That is rubbish IMO.
But just like you, I have a belief and will not change until the terrorist activities top.
Your other "friends" here like to play the player as they cannot show any facts to back up the lies they tell like JK8 and Dave and Aesop.
Water off a ducks back - the verbal insults and blatant hate speech.
Maybe you are a bit more mature in voicing your opinion than them.

 

[adamr]

this thread aint healthy at all ... people are getting mighty personal now ... guys you do know you age quicker on this thread ????

mods should just close it i think ... no matter whats said on here, it aint gonna convince the powers to be to change their stance on the attacks on the Palestinian civilians (this is my view, and i see it that way) .... or the Pro-Israel view that they defending themselves ...

 

[Syndyre]

not trying to fight or argue or anything with this question but just wondering:

Marine, BBSA and co. the pro-Israel side of the fence ... do you people have Muslim friends by any chance? ... reason i ask, is sometimes we generalise about people and let media etc mould our perceptions, at times it does look like it goes beyond just Israel/Palestine, and it becomes hatred towards Muslim people... just just curious if you guys have had social dealings with Muslim people as friends

EDIT: sorry im OT a bit here

I have Muslim friends along with Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Atheist etc friends. I have nothing against anyone on the basis of their religion or background, what I do have a problem with is terrorism and I feel the same whether its committed by e.g. the IRA or Hamas, both are scum which should be wiped out.

Something I am wondering about lately is this.. Whatever the justification for this war and yadda yadda yah, in the end there IS a ton of building reduced to ruble a civilian crisis.

Since Palestine is NOT a sovereign nation and Gaza is under military siege/blockade who is expected to pick up the bill for rebuilding? These aren't exactly 2 or 3 story building either. Is the Israeli public prepared for paying for redevelopment? and if not is it justified not to? Before answering check whats happening in Iraq and Afghanistan and the 'aid' that's suppose to get in vs REAL developments there wrt how people are living before vs after.

Why should Israel pay for reconstruction? If someone attacks you and you defend yourself in self defence should you be liable for their medical bills?

Didnt marine1 walk out of a store in the plaza because they has a poster of Bin Laden?

Can you blame him? Are you saying all Jews are the equivalent of Bin Laden?

Truth is Marine, Gary etc ... if you guys knew a store that said:" For every transaction R1 goes to Hamas" .... you would not buy from there .... heck if you did, you guys would be hypocrites! ... I need to respect that!

I myself will not support any company, Jewish or not, if i know without certainty there are saying also:" For every transaction R1 to Israels attack on Palestine" ... Id be a hypocrite. JK8s view on this is right!

The part where Gary has an issue, is the generalising part .... and yes we should not generalise ... so JK8, fellow Muslim brother, it did come across like you generalised ...

I wouldn't but I won't stop buying from Muslims because e.g. Hamas is Muslim which is the equivalent of what JK8's saying.

 

[BBSA]

Well after reading this:

http://www.ourjerusalem.com/opinion/story/hadrians-curse-the-secret-all-the-arabs-know-part-i-2.html

I think I've seen all I've needed to see.

Very interesting, specially this part:

All the prominent spokesmen of that poor, homeless “people” openly say the following: The Arabs who live in Eretz Yisrael are precisely the same Arabs who live in Syria, Jordan or Lebanon. They are not a separate country, but a fragment of the enormous Arab nation divided among many Arab countries. In their identity they are Arabs, and the invention of Palestine is just a transparent bluff - a means for continuing our struggle against the State of Israel for our Arab unity.

 

[marine1]

this thread aint healthy at all ... people are getting mighty personal now ... guys you do know you age quicker on this thread ????

mods should just close it i think ... no matter whats said on here, it aint gonna convince the powers to be to change their stance on the attacks on the Palestinian civilians (this is my view, and i see it that way) .... or the Pro-Israel view that they defending themselves ...

I Completely agree with you.