The Middle East Conflict Thread

aperio

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This really is a stupid debate because nothing will ever come of it. Both sides are full of schit and don't deserve a helping hand from anyone. ..

Now there you have identified a huge part of the problem. Israel is acting as a proxy power for America. In this conflict they are doing 90% of the killing, all with American weapons and American money.

And when the free world takes a stand, like last night at the security council of the UN, America vetoes that decision.

As long as Israeli aggression is encouraged and sponsored by America, they will not negotiate in good faith, and there will be no end to the conflict.
 

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Israel is always first to accuse the Palestinians of killing their women and children.

Read the true facts: who are really killing women and chiildren in large numbers.
As we've learnt from you, Israel targets women and children, but how come no women were killed in the strike on the mosque?
Is it because women, being second class citizens, aren't allowed in the mosque?
 

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Barack Obama's first test?

There is no sense in me adding anything to the article below. It speaks for itself.

By John L. Esposito

While some had predicted Barack Obama would be "tested" early in his administration by America's enemy Osama, Obama's first major foreign policy "test" has instead come from America's ally, Israel.

Israel's war in Gaza has been calculated and deliberately planned to occur at this time. The Israeli government has taken advantage of a world in which many are distracted by the global economic crisis and the celebration of Christmas and the New Year.

Equally important the bombing of Gaza has been executed on George Bush's "watch" so that Israel can count on a Bush administration whose failure to act as an honest broker was seen most starkly in the U.S. silence and support during the Israeli war in Lebanon.

The Israelis struck during the U.S. presidential transition and before Barack Obama, who could prove less sympathetic, takes office.

The pretense for the bombings and threat to invade Gaza with ground troops is Hamas breaking the ceasefire by shelling Israel. However, Hamas started shelling after the talks to renew it failed.

Israel ignores the fact that during the ceasefire, Israel put up blockades to stop essential goods from getting in. The siege created a humanitarian catastrophe for Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinian residents by restricting the provision of food, fuel, medicine, electricity, and other necessities of life.

The U.S. and Europe were complicit in the blockade of a democratically elected Hamas government, a siege whose primary victims have been Gaza civilians. Hamas fighters vented their anger by firing rockets.

Reports have been circulating for sometime in the Israeli press that the Israeli military was planning for and looking for a pretext or provocation to strike. Despite the fact that the fighters shelling did not kill a single Israeli, Israel acts as if it has been driven to a "fight to the bitter end."

Following a past pattern, most recently in its humiliating defeat in the Israeli-Hezbollah war, the Israeli military engages in an all-out war that ignores moral and international standards of warfare: the bombings and massacre of more than 375 people and injuring of some 700 lacks any sense of proportionality.

Mosques and the Islamic University have been targeted and destroyed as have homes and hospitals. The Bush administration lamely and falsely blames Hamas, holding it alone responsible for the deaths. If Palestinians had slaughtered and injured a similar number of Israelis, the administration would denounce such actions as war crimes and rightly seek to mobilize the international community.

The international community must move swiftly not only to demand an immediate ceasefire as has the UN and EU but also put pressure on the Bush administration, which has in recent years claimed that it wishes to act multi-laterally and not unilaterally as it had in the decision to invade Iraq.

While the shelling by Hamas' fighters cannot be condoned, Israel's unbridled military response must also be condemned. Until the Israeli government gets a message that the international community will hold Israel to the same standards as it does other nations and the Palestinians, there can be no hope for peace negotiations to work.

President-elect Barack Obama cannot remain silent. While he is right to acknowledge that until January 20th George Bush is in charge of American foreign policy, for him to remain silent now will be seen as simply condoning Israel's devastation of Gaza and undermine his promise of a new international vision and a new approach to the Israeli- Palestinian conflict. He will be brush-stroked by the failed policies of the Bush administration in the Middle East and lose his credibility before he even comes to office with an Arab and Muslim world that sees his election as one of hope and promise.

-- John L. Esposito is University Professor and Professor of Religion & International Affairs, Georgetown University
 

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Israel is acting as a proxy power for America.
Clearly you have no concept of the situation in the middle east. Maybe go and visit there and see what is going on there, this is a conflict that is biblical. It is for survival of the Jewish people. Yes you and your friends of the terrorists would have people believe otherwise. :rolleyes:
 

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I think I should stop posting here. You guys have no idea how much it hurts to see your INNOCENT Muslim brothers and sisters being killed by these bastards...I can't even sleep.
So how many times are you going to stop posting here - watch out for the swinging door.

They're just as innocent as Abu Hamza, and should be jailed just like him for his hatred towards all "kaffurs" (that's us).
The rhetoric from Hamarse is no different to that of Abu Hamza.

Why don't you make a concerted effort to convince your "INNOCENT" Muslim brothers to stop their terrorist acts, and I'm sure you'll see peace follow, just like it did between Israel and a couple of other Arab countries.
 
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Because they are not innocent. They all seem elated in the destruction of Israel. Something that will never happen, thankfully.
Israel should never have left Gaza.
 
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Frankie

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Now there you have identified a huge part of the problem. Israel is acting as a proxy power for America. In this conflict they are doing , all with American weapons and American money.

And when the free world takes a stand, like last night at the security council of the UN, America vetoes that decision.

As long as Israeli aggression is encouraged and sponsored by America, they will not negotiate in good faith, and there will be no end to the conflict.
BHAHAHAHAHAHA

And Hamarse are not supported by the Islamic Republic of Iran, in their quest to wipe out all kaffurs and achieve world domination :rolleyes:

The world will support any retaliation against terrorists , you know the ones driven by that ideology, the ideology that calls for the death of all kaffurs, the same ideology practised and preached by Abu Hamza.
 
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That Abu Hamza looks like he is from the depths of hell. I hope he never gets out of prison.
Israel should just flatten the area. Once and for all!!!
 

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That Abu Hamza looks like he is from the depths of hell. I hope he never gets out of prison.
Israel should just flatten the area. Once and for all!!!
When that vile cleric does get out of the UK jail, he's being extradited to the US to face charges for terrorism there - the dirt bag was involved with a fundamentalist terrorist training camp.
He's the same ilk as the Hamarse terrorist group.
 

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I will enter in the debate in my own way, not the way you like. And I will lay off when I decide to, not when a supporter of a terrorist regime tells me to.

Quite right too. Don't let the MyBB chapter of the Zionist Youth League get to you.
 

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Quite right too. Don't let the MyBB chapter of the Zionist Youth League get to you.

At least on MYBB you have the right to post your opinions just like in Israel but unlike HAMAS for you both evidently have so time for :eek:
 

rwenzori

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At least on MYBB you have the right to post your opinions just like in Israel but unlike HAMAS for you both evidently have so time for :eek:

I see you've got your membership badge on alantjie. What exactly do you mean, as your sentence makes no sense - you can't be "in..Hamas" in a physical manner?
 
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