The Middle East Conflict Thread

[marine1]

Just out of interest: what is the issue with the USA funding Israel? Personally, I'm not against it. If the USA wants to give money to Israel that is their prerogative :/

Well they need to blame someone, USA give money to just about everyone.
Funny how these guys complain but they also benefit from it.

 

[BBSA]

Yeah... it's a fail.

I do not understand your logic. You are crying that palestinian lives are lost but still you hope that Hames will continue with their rocket attacks. You do realise that if the rockets stop the Israeli operation will also stop?

 

[semiautomatix]

Well they need to blame someone, USA give money to just about everyone.
Funny how these guys complain but they also benefit from it.

Well until Hamas took over the Palestinian Authority the EU, US and even Israel were funding the Palestinian Authority. Ironic, yes.

 

[d0b33]

Honestly, do you not see the irony here? If you're condoning the actions of Hamas, then you're condoning the land gains in the 6-day war. Funny thing this Catch-22 situation.

Do you not know my view on Israel by now? I said it's here to stay.

They brought this on themselves by being dumb enough to move into that region so I don't feel sorry for them... but I believe in the unification of that region into one secular state.

 

[semiautomatix]

Do you not know my view on Israel by now? I said it's here to stay.

They brought this on themselves by being dumb enough to move into that region so I don't feel sorry for them... but I believe in the unification of that region into one secular state.

And I believe Palestine was dumb enough to attack Israel and bring this upon themselves, so I don't feel sorry for them.

 

[d0b33]

I don't live in the USA, what concern is that to me again?

I get paid in dollars and work for Americans so it affects me indirectly, just like buying a coke pays for Israel's ammunitions indirectly.

 

[Frankie]

I get paid in dollars and work for Americans so it affects me indirectly, just like buying a coke pays for Israel's ammunitions indirectly.

I'm not sure that you want to disclose that - It's likely to make the Coca Cola sales sore, just like Danish products did after the Mohammad Cartoon episode.

BUY COCA COLA AND SUPPORT ISRAEL'S FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISTS

 

[semiautomatix]

I get paid in dollars and work for Americans so it affects me indirectly, just like buying a coke pays for Israel's ammunitions indirectly.

Whatever, I get paid in Rands, like the majority of South Africans, and am a little more concerned about the R300 million earmarked for Zimbabwe. By the way, if you don't live in the US you're not paying taxes to the US government.

The USA has funded the Palestinian Authority in the past, is that a problem as well? If indeed it is then its a moot point because both sides receive money from the USA.

 

[rwenzori]

The interesting one is US aid to Egypt, which is not far off the overt aid to Israel. They basically pay Egypt to be something of an ally, and not to fight Israel. I believe it started in the late 70s after Camp David.

 

[Frankie]

They basically pay Egypt to be something of an ally, and not to fight Israel.

If that's true, then it's much the same as they do with North Korea to keep a little peace and stability in the area - unbelievable that they could be such bastards to do that huh.

 

[BBSA]

The interesting one is US aid to Egypt, which is not far off the overt aid to Israel. They basically pay Egypt to be something of an ally, and not to fight Israel. I believe it started in the late 70s after Camp David.

Money well spend.

 

[d0b33]

Well how about that...

The Gaza Bombshell
After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

link

 

[semiautomatix]

They basically pay Egypt to be something of an ally, and not to fight Israel.

Didn't see Egypt saying no. Obviously they've realised it couldn't go on like it had.

 

[semiautomatix]

Well how about that...

link

Oh no! And me without my tinfoil hat!

 

[Alan]

Oh no! And me without my tinfoil hat!

a fashionable tinfoil hat @ that

 

[Necuno]

see this
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1154898/how_to_make_a_tinfoil_hat/

 

[aperio]

The truth that was never told

Three key points that have not been highlighted in the corporate media:

* It was the Israelis who broke the truce, as the Israeli peace movement Gush Shalom points out.
* The rocket attacks from Gaza onto Israeli territory have not killed or injured a single Israeli, reports Ali Abunimah, co-founder of Electronic Intifada.
* Gaza has been under a terrible and suffocating Israeli siege, which has caused immense suffering among the entire 1.5 million population. “Israel has not only banned food and medicine to sustain Palestinian bodies in Gaza but it is also intent on starving minds: due to the blockade, there is not even ink, paper and glue to print textbooks for schoolchildren,” says Ali Abunimah. It is vicious collective punishment

Read the rest of this article here

 

[LazyLion]

Three key points that have not been highlighted in the corporate media:

* It was the Israelis who broke the truce, as the Israeli peace movement Gush Shalom points out.
* The rocket attacks from Gaza onto Israeli territory have not killed or injured a single Israeli, reports Ali Abunimah, co-founder of Electronic Intifada.
* Gaza has been under a terrible and suffocating Israeli siege, which has caused immense suffering among the entire 1.5 million population. “Israel has not only banned food and medicine to sustain Palestinian bodies in Gaza but it is also intent on starving minds: due to the blockade, there is not even ink, paper and glue to print textbooks for schoolchildren,” says Ali Abunimah. It is vicious collective punishment

Read the rest of this article here

More BS... all of this has been discussed and discounted in this very same thread. Get with the times. Your propaganda is getting old.

 

[d0b33]

On Aljazeera an Israeli Knesset member was asked how long have the IDF been planning on entering Gaza, he said 9 months or more.. lol at least he's honest.

 

[aperio]

Israeli peace movement Gush Shalom

This is what the Israeli peace movement Gush Shalom have to say about the massacre in Gaza:

The war in Gaza – vicious folly of a bankrupt government (and Amos Oz will soon regret having supported it)

The war in Gaza, the bloodshed, killing, destruction and suffering on both sides of the border, are the vicious folly of a bankrupt government. A government which let itself be dragged by adventurous officers and cheap nationalist demagoguery, dragged into a destructive and unnecessary war which will bring no solution to any problem – neither to the communities of southern Israel under the rain of missiles nor to the terrible poverty and suffering of besieged Gaza. On the day after the war the same problems will remain – with the addition of many bereaved families, wounded people crippled for life, and piles of rubble and destruction.

The escalation towards war could and should have been avoided. It was the State of Israel which broke the truce, in the ‘ticking tunnel’ raid on the night of the US elections two months ago. Since then the army went on stoking the fires of escalation with calculated raids and killings, whenever the shooting of missiles on Israel decreased.

The cycle of bloodshed could and should be broken. The ceasefire can be restored immediately, and on firmer foundations. It is the right of Israel to demand a complete end to shooting on its territory and citizens – but it must stop all attacks from its side, end completely the siege and starvation of Gaza’s million and half inhabitants, and stop interfering with the Palestinians’ right to choose their own leaders.

Ehud Barak’s declaration that he is stopping the elections campaign in order to concentrate on the Gaza offensive is a joke. The war in Gaza is itself Barak’s elections campaign, a cynical attempt to buy votes with the blood and suffering in Netivot and Sderot, Gaza and Beit Hanun. Also so-called peace seekers such as Amos Oz, who give this offensive their support and encouragement, could not afterwards shrug off responsibility.

Contact: Adam Keller, Gush Shalom Spokesperson, adam@gush-shalom.org